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From: JB on 13 Jan 2010 12:52 hummingbird wrote: > 'JB' wrote thus: > > >hummingbird wrote: > > > >> >Who said you could use the web anonymously? > >> > >> Why else would you want a browser that (in your own words) > >> allows you to indulge in "Private Browsing"? > > > >You need to learn the difference between privacy and anonymity. > > No I don't. My understanding is fine, thanks. > > You need to understand what I wrote before. The poster asked about privacy and you started muttering about anonymity. They're two different things that can *sometimes* overlap in application, which probably doesn't aid your obvious confusion, but you *are* confused none the less. So horribly confused in fact that in the very text we're citing above you assume that someone who wants privacy must really be wanting anonymity. "Why else...", right? Your own words defeat you kiddo. Sorry. I tried in a polite, adult way to explain things to you. Apparently you're too much of a spoiled child to accept the fact that you don't know what you're talking about, and to learn something from my very fine analogy. So be it. I can address your FUD with or without your help. If you choose to be a casualty along the way I really don't have a problem with making you one. :)
From: N4469P on 13 Jan 2010 13:15 On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:28:19 +0000, za kAT wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:05:17 -0500, JB wrote: > >> You need to learn the difference between privacy and anonymity. The >> distinction will save you much confusion down the road. >> >> Privacy is the relationship you have with your doctor. He or she >> knows all your secrets, but keeps them to themselves. >> >> Anonymity is standing behind a closed door and shouting in a >> disguised voice... "I have a strange rash that won't go away!". >> Everyone withing earshot knows your secrets, but can't know that >> they're *your* secrets. > > Excellent analogy, thanks. welcum
From: za kAT on 13 Jan 2010 13:43 On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:22:31 +0000, hummingbird wrote: > 'JB' wrote thus: > >>hummingbird wrote: >> >>> 'JB' wrote thus: >>> >>> >hummingbird wrote: >>> > >>> >> >Who said you could use the web anonymously? >>> >> >>> >> Why else would you want a browser that (in your own words) >>> >> allows you to indulge in "Private Browsing"? >>> > >>> >You need to learn the difference between privacy and anonymity. >>> >>> No I don't. My understanding is fine, thanks. >>> >>> You need to understand what I wrote before. > > >>The poster asked about privacy and you started muttering about >>anonymity. > > Get yer facts straight. > I genuinely believed the OP was conflating the two things, so > kindly pointed out that deleting your history is not the same as > surfing anonymously. I had no idea who "whome?" is and he/she > could easily have been a noob. > > Then you appeared out of nowhere...eager to tell the world what > you know... <shrug> *SHADDUP* -- za kAT
From: JB on 13 Jan 2010 13:46 hummingbird wrote: > 'JB' wrote thus: > > >hummingbird wrote: > > > >> 'JB' wrote thus: > >> > >> >hummingbird wrote: > >> > > >> >> >Who said you could use the web anonymously? > >> >> > >> >> Why else would you want a browser that (in your own words) > >> >> allows you to indulge in "Private Browsing"? > >> > > >> >You need to learn the difference between privacy and anonymity. > >> > >> No I don't. My understanding is fine, thanks. > >> > >> You need to understand what I wrote before. > > > >The poster asked about privacy and you started muttering about > >anonymity. > > Get yer facts straight. > > I genuinely believed Your now-professed "beliefs" are meaningless. You wrote what you wrote. And what you wrote gleamed of confusion. You couldn't even separate the concepts of privacy and anonymity in your mind at all. You apparently considered them synonymous. "Why else...". No, the truth is I straightened you out regarding the differences between anonymity and privacy, and rather than thanking me you tried this "I didn't mean what I wrote, I meant what you said" childishness. Sorry it didn't work out for you. But not that sorry. > the OP was conflating the two things, so > kindly pointed out that deleting your history is not the same as > surfing anonymously. I had no idea who "whome?" is and he/she > could easily have been a noob. > > Then you appeared out of nowhere...eager to tell the world what > you know... <shrug> In case you're oblivious to this bit of information also - you're participating in what's called a "public forum". That means people will often "appear out of nowhere" with superior knowledge of a subject, and use that superior knowledge to straighten out the mistakes made by people like you. People who know much less but don't realize it. Ironic as it is in the context of your little rant about being "ambushed", that's the way Usenet was designed to work. In the future, if you find the process of having your mistakes corrected distasteful perhaps you should limit your replies to private email? Just a thought. Oh, and you''re welcome for today's second lesson too. :)
From: JB on 13 Jan 2010 14:11
hummingbird wrote: > >Private browsing is about keeping your information to yourself. > >Period. Part of that process *can* be housecleaning, but it's not > >inherently necessary. More to the point are things like filtering > >"super cookies" during a session, watching for script kiddie attacks > >like invasive JavaScript and such, and yes, even intercepting full > >blown malware before it can gain purchase on your machine. > > > >The whole concept is not disseminating information about yourself > >and your surfing habits beyond a certain well defined point, not > >keeping that information *from* yourself entirely. In truth, wiping > >everything is an inconvenience at best, and overkill in essence. > > All good stuff but it looks more like a recipe for good security, > rather than 'private browsing'. Wow. You really are confused. Privacy is all about security. Privacy can't exist without effective security. Using the doctor analogy again, your doctor doesn't leave your medical records lying around in the waiting room. He keeps them in a file cabinet in some sort of "restricted area", and probably locked up when not being accessed. Physical security, plain and simple. Your doctor also most assuredly has a policy in place to deal with employees and such who break the doctor-patient confidence. The first line of defense is not hiring them. That means things like background checks and interviews. More forms of security. Information gathering and analysis. Threat assessment, if you will. It's no different with on line privacy. You manage cookies so that XYZ.com can't track your visits. You secure ports on your machine so that EvilHackers.com can't connect back to some vulnerable service and collect information about you. You use tools like blacklists and "parental controls" to restrict access to supposed evil sites all together. You heed those "invalid certificate" warnings your browser gives you. You secure your machine against malware with AV/AS type software so that everything you do isn't logged and/or stolen after your machine is completely usurped. And so on and so forth... > > You see! there are different understandings of what a term means. Sometimes. But not in this case. You simply lack even a cursory understanding of topics like privacy, anonymity, and security. That's not the problem. Ignorance can be cured with the right mentors and a little effort on your part. Your problem is more personal in nature. It's OK to not know something kiddo. Nothing to get your panties all in a bunch about. Get over yourself and you'll end up being a lot happier with yourself. Trust me. |