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From: nospam on 24 Feb 2010 10:19 In article <4b8540a0$0$22530$607ed4bc(a)cv.net>, Alan Lichtenstein <arl(a)erols.com> wrote: > My question is therefore, if those are my goals, and I may eventually > wind up upgrading to one of the Photoshop CS programs, will I be at a > disadvantage if I purchase Aperature rather than Lightroom. I do not > think at this juncture, given what I have I would benefit by obtaining > Elements. that's a subjective decision. some people prefer the user interface of aperture, others prefer lightroom. there are also some feature differences, however, lightroom 3 is due soon so that's a bit of a moving target right now. lightroom, being an adobe product, integrates far better with photoshop than aperture does. they both share the same raw processing engine (camera raw) and in the event an image needs additional processing, an image can be round-tripped to photoshop for additional work without any interim files. aperture, being an apple product, integrates with other apple applications and the system itself. unfortunately, apple's track record with supporting new cameras is very slow, so if you buy a new camera, it might be a while until it's supported, if at all. i'd suggest watching the various tutorial videos for both products and see what can be done, then try out the free demo versions. as i said, there's a bit of a learning curve since they're both very powerful applications, but with a little perseverance you should be able to decide which one you prefer,
From: David J. Littleboy on 24 Feb 2010 10:29 "nospam" <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: >Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: > >> A free copy of PS Elements stops them looking at >> cheaper options... > > it doesn't prevent anyone from doing anything. Your sense of humor seems to be on vacation. Do you need a hint? -- David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan
From: Alan Lichtenstein on 24 Feb 2010 10:31 nospam wrote: > In article <4b8540a0$0$22530$607ed4bc(a)cv.net>, Alan Lichtenstein > <arl(a)erols.com> wrote: > > >>My question is therefore, if those are my goals, and I may eventually >>wind up upgrading to one of the Photoshop CS programs, will I be at a >>disadvantage if I purchase Aperature rather than Lightroom. I do not >>think at this juncture, given what I have I would benefit by obtaining >>Elements. > > > that's a subjective decision. some people prefer the user interface of > aperture, others prefer lightroom. there are also some feature > differences, however, lightroom 3 is due soon so that's a bit of a > moving target right now. > > lightroom, being an adobe product, integrates far better with photoshop > than aperture does. they both share the same raw processing engine > (camera raw) and in the event an image needs additional processing, an > image can be round-tripped to photoshop for additional work without any > interim files. > > aperture, being an apple product, integrates with other apple > applications and the system itself. unfortunately, apple's track record > with supporting new cameras is very slow, so if you buy a new camera, > it might be a while until it's supported, if at all. > > i'd suggest watching the various tutorial videos for both products and > see what can be done, then try out the free demo versions. as i said, > there's a bit of a learning curve since they're both very powerful > applications, but with a little perseverance you should be able to > decide which one you prefer, You point out very good points. And you're right; at the end of the day, it's a subjective decision based on objective factors. but between you and everyone else, I believe I have sufficient 'advice' to make my decision. And I thank you, and all the rest of the responders for your time in putting up with my ignorance. I think I'll continue to lurk awhile and pick everyone's brains. Already I see in this thread fundamental philosophical differences which have colored some of the responses. Regrettably, I see that my innocent request for advice somehow degenerated into some flaming attempts, for which I am truly sorry. I didn't mean to be the cause of such vehemence. And that apology would apply to you personally as well, as I see that because of your responses to me, you became embroiled in some of those. On a more personal level, I recall some exchanges a number of years back with someone with your handle, in which I was less than kind. If you are that person, my personal apologies to you as well for those past. You have been more than kind to me. I've still got a lot to learn about actually taking better photographs using the camera that I have, and the one I probably will upgrade to shortly.
From: Chris H on 24 Feb 2010 10:30 In message <240220101009124381%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> writes >In article <ZduQxSGr8OhLFAN+(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk>, Chris H ><chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: > >> A free copy of PS Elements stops them looking at >> cheaper options... > >it doesn't prevent anyone from doing anything. You missed the irony. The complaint was that a FREE copy of Elements stops people looking at cheaper options. Also the fact that if Elements is free for all intents then it should be judged on equal footing with GIMP.... The GIMP interface is not as good GIMP is less capable GIMP has less support GIMP has a much smaller user community GIMP does not interface to any other industry standard tools GIMP is not used in the Pro industry or serious amateur market. Remind me what was supposed to be the advantage other than religion? -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
From: Chris H on 24 Feb 2010 10:37
In message <4b8540a0$0$22530$607ed4bc(a)cv.net>, Alan Lichtenstein <arl(a)erols.com> writes >first of all, I appreciate your response. I see from some of the >responses, that my ignorance in not spelling out at the onset my short >and long range plans, prompted the responses. My feeling at the >present is that I want a program that is better than iPhoto, in that it >offers more of what I want to do, but understanding that eventually I >will outgrow it. But I don't want to outgrow it rapidly. so the >program would need some features that I will have to grow into, but >eventually grow out of. From both your responses as well as few >others, I think that either Lightroom or Aperature is the way to go, >with Photomaxix down the line, and perhaps a more serious editor, down >the line. I would agree that Lightroom or Aperture is the way to go for you. Either is iPhoto on steroids (and then some). My preference was for lightroom as it is on both MAC and PC and as it is part of Adobe will have a good PS integration and integration with other tools I use. I have been very happy with lightroom and spend 95% of my time in it. However others are as happy with Aperture. >My question is therefore, if those are my goals, and I may eventually >wind up upgrading to one of the Photoshop CS programs, will I be at a >disadvantage if I purchase Aperature rather than Lightroom. I think the answer has to be yes.... but only a very minor one. Try both and see what you like. Use the one you find the best to work with. IF you are like me you will only occasionally need something other than LR or Aperture. > I do not think at this juncture, given what I have I would benefit by >obtaining Elements. OK... But you should be able to get elements for (almost) free. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |