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From: Ian McCall on 24 Jan 2010 10:54 On 2010-01-24 15:03:29 +0000, Ian McCall <ian(a)eruvia.org> said: > On 2010-01-24 14:55:43 +0000, peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid (Pd) said: > >> Proprietary software is all very well, but proprietary data formats >> suck. > > Well...the current argument at Mozilla is that h.264 -is- a proprietary > data format, in that you need to license it to use it. They don't > support h.264 via HTML 5, only Ogg Theora which is said to be > unencumbered by patents. > > Myself I say support it and delegate to the underlying OS, but there you go. With quite astonishing timing, Slashdot now provides a link to this page giving Mozilla's Vice President of Engineering's view of things: <http://shaver.off.net/diary/2010/01/23/html5-video-and-codecs/> Cheers, Ian
From: Chris Ridd on 24 Jan 2010 13:53 On 2010-01-24 15:03:29 +0000, Ian McCall said: > On 2010-01-24 14:55:43 +0000, peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid (Pd) said: > >> Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: >> >>> If they're supporting HTML 5's video tag in Safari, then it must be H.264. >> >> Kewl - open standards FTW! >> >> Proprietary software is all very well, but proprietary data formats >> suck. > > Well...the current argument at Mozilla is that h.264 -is- a proprietary > data format, in that you need to license it to use it. Those are two different things. It is not proprietary, it is an international standard (ITU H series). It also requires licensing because it depends on patented technology. I'm not sure what happens if you develop an H.264 implementation in a country that doesn't agree that the technology is patentable. > They don't support h.264 via HTML 5, only Ogg Theora which is said to > be unencumbered by patents. It is also unencumbered by video quality given similar bit rates to H.264 :-) > Myself I say support it and delegate to the underlying OS, but there you go. Exactly. The Fluendo folks make a living selling codecs for patent-encumbered algorithms (eg MP3, WMV) for Linux and OpenSolaris, so even those folks get to play. -- Chris
From: Ben Shimmin on 24 Jan 2010 13:58 Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com>: > On 2010-01-24 15:03:29 +0000, Ian McCall said: [...] >> They don't support h.264 via HTML 5, only Ogg Theora which is said to >> be unencumbered by patents. > > It is also unencumbered by video quality given similar bit rates to H.264 :-) And, moving away from the desktop, it's also unencumbered by hardware decoders (so not much use for iPods and the like). b. -- <bas(a)bas.me.uk> <URL:http://bas.me.uk/> `It is like Swinburne sat down on his soul's darkest night and designed an organized sport.' -- David Foster Wallace, _Infinite Jest_, on American football
From: Chris Ridd on 24 Jan 2010 14:08 On 2010-01-24 18:58:07 +0000, Ben Shimmin said: > Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com>: >> On 2010-01-24 15:03:29 +0000, Ian McCall said: > > [...] > >>> They don't support h.264 via HTML 5, only Ogg Theora which is said to >>> be unencumbered by patents. >> >> It is also unencumbered by video quality given similar bit rates to H.264 :-) > > And, moving away from the desktop, it's also unencumbered by hardware > decoders (so not much use for iPods and the like). Which is a major problem. The last problem sounds a bit FUDish, but it is suspected that Theora *might* infringe on patents and the only reason they haven't been "done" is that they're just too small to be on the legal radar. -- Chris
From: Rowland McDonnell on 24 Jan 2010 16:44
James Taylor <usenet(a)oakseed.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell wrote: > > > That does not capture and download the video streams - where `the' means > > `any of 'em'. It downloads the streams intended for use on the iPhone, > > which are not equipped with consumer rights limitation crud (due to no > > flash on the iPhone). > > That can't be far away now, and once Flash is available on the iPhone I > guess we can say goodbye to non-DRM content from the BBC. Apple won't allow any non-Apple API with that much power on the iPhone for reasons of fascist control and Stalinist security (hey, if there's no oppressed , so that's not an immediate worry. > >> You can check the bundles yourself - there's no sticky bits to inherit > >> any privs, so they're clean. > > > > Whassat mean? > > You can read all about "set user ID" (SUID) and "set group ID" (SGID), > which is I think what Jamie means, by reading the chmod man page. [snip] Which, as you know, is beyond my comprehension. Thank you. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking |