From: Dorian Gray on
In article <hivnuv$1j0c$1(a)pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>,
richard(a)cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote:

> In article <D.Gray-42A6F8.19042617012010(a)nntp-serv.cam.ac.uk>,
> Dorian Gray <D.Gray(a)picture.invalid> wrote:
>
> >It hangs Safari 4.0.4 on Mac OS X 10.4.11. Good work Real.
>
> Surely you mean "Good work Apple".

No, I meant the opposite of "Good work Real". Real is offering a player
to Mac OS X users. You would think they would make sure their download
page doesn't hang the standard browser on OS X.
From: Peter Ceresole on
Dorian Gray <D.Gray(a)picture.invalid> wrote:

> > Certainly doesn't hang Firefox 3.5.7 in OS 10.4.11. Nor, as far as I can
> > see, Safari 4.0.4.
>
> What do you mean "as far as you can see"? Did you try it, and if so, did
> it hang it or not?

I downloaded the pkg with both browsers, and it worked both times. I
installed it from the Firefox copy and it works well. However, as I said
later, the display in Safari was the pig's ear that you report while in
Firefox it was fine.
--
Peter
From: James Jolley on
On 2010-01-18 14:38:15 +0000, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) said:

> Dorian Gray <D.Gray(a)picture.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> Certainly doesn't hang Firefox 3.5.7 in OS 10.4.11. Nor, as far as I can
>>> see, Safari 4.0.4.
>>
>> What do you mean "as far as you can see"? Did you try it, and if so, did
>> it hang it or not?
>
> I downloaded the pkg with both browsers, and it worked both times. I
> installed it from the Firefox copy and it works well. However, as I said
> later, the display in Safari was the pig's ear that you report while in
> Firefox it was fine.

I managed to download the dmg also. The transfer rate was rubbish so I
didn't wait for it, but I thought the OP was saying that he couldn't
"access" the download page.

From: James Taylor on
Peter Ceresole wrote:

> What do people have aginst the iPlayer?

It's a bloated great Flash based install.

It uses DRM. Programs disappear after a few days.

I can't manage the media in my normal media manger or play it in my
preferred player, I'm stuck using their interface instead.

It requires me to install with root privileges an opaque lump of
proprietary code from the notoriously insecure stable of Adobe.

With encrypted communications I have no way to verify what it is sending
or receiving. It could be spying on me, and almost certainly is, I just
can't tell how badly.

> I use it here, and it works very well, for both video and sound.

Yes, I'm sure it works, it's the how that worries me.

--
James Taylor
From: Ben Shimmin on
James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com>:

[...]

> Nothing in principle, but accessibility is a serious issue and mno
> amount of asking the BBC seems to solve anything. The "play" buttons
> for the streams aren't being seen via VoiceOver, because it uses flash
> I am guessing and Adobe aren't prepared to make flash accessible. It's
> all complicated isn't it?

Good news:

* Adobe *are* aware of accessibility issues, there *is* support for
screen reading technologies in Flash, and there's even a
flash.accessibility package. [1]

Bad news:

* Most Flash developers have probably never been to the link below.

b.

[1] <URL:http://livedocs.adobe.com/flash/9.0/ActionScriptLangRefV3/flash/accessibility/Accessibility.html>

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