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From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on 20 Jan 2010 21:14 On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:32:34 +0700, James Taylor <usenet(a)oakseed.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote: >Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: > >> James Taylor wrote: >> >>> Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: >>> >>>> the video streams themselves can be captured and downloaded, >>>> as I'm sure you know. >>> >>> No, I didn't know that. How? >> >> Coo! iPlayer Downloader, http://www.limaromeo.com/iplayer-downloader/ > >I thought you were going to tell me to use a sniffer to capture the >download TCP stream, extract the payload, and then remove the DRM using >a tool that has the DRM keys extracted from iPlayer itself. It's almost >an anti-climax to see you recommend an application that automatically >does it all for me (assuming that's what it does). Yup. That's a very unix-mindset you've got on there! Though if I'd remembered that you weren't using OSX with 'Net access, I'd have pointed you straight at the po-ru site you found anyway, which supplies the backend script for the app at the link above. >Unfortunately, I don't run Mac OS X as an Internet facing OS any more. >I've become disillusioned because of Apple's poor security performance. >So for downloading iPlayer video I'd need software for Linux. > >Ah, here's a cross platform downloader: ><http://po-ru.com/projects/iplayer-downloader/> > >> You can check the bundles yourself - there's no sticky bits to inherit >> any privs, so they're clean. > >That maybe the case, but I didn't see everything that the installer put >on my machine while it was running as root. It could have hidden an suid >wrapper anywhere that it can later use to elevate its privileges. In >theory anyway, I'm not saying that's likely. The flash installer .pkg can be unpacked and its scripts read. Same sort of thing as rpms, or even make-scripted compilations. It's the pkg installer that gets admin rights for the install, not the delivered code, so there can't be a cascade where the installer hands off to a second sneakier script. Or so I understand. >> Um. As long as there aren't any extended attributes that might do the >> same thing, I suppose - never occurred to me before. > >Good question. I wish I had time to look into it. There doesn't appear to be, at least in the standard attributes. Cheers - Jaimie -- "Hey T-Rex! This ice cream cake is delicious!" "Thanks! You don't think it tastes like... *philosophical compromise*?" "Only a little! -- http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1093
From: Rowland McDonnell on 21 Jan 2010 00:04 James Taylor <usenet(a)oakseed.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell wrote: > > > The consumer rights limitation software permits the Beeb to get people > > to sign a contract that lets the iPlayer service be operated at all. > > I know that, I said as much in another post. Pay attention. But James, your thinking is muddled and naive and rather self-centred: you have mistakenly assumed that netiquette and my behaviour both ensure that I'll read all of your posts before replying to one of them. Any normal person could have told you such thinking is incorrect. I did the normal thing, whcih was to respond to the points you made in a single post. I hadn't realised that you had repudiated your eariler remarks with later ones. I think it's rather churlish of you to criticise me for your lack of constancy and I'll thank you to avoid any further insulting personal remarks about me. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Rowland McDonnell on 21 Jan 2010 00:04 Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote: > James Taylor <usenet(a)oakseed.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote: > > >Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: > > > >> James Taylor wrote: > >> > >>> I can't manage the media in my normal media manger or play it in my > >>> preferred player, I'm stuck using their interface instead. > >> > >> the video streams themselves can be captured and downloaded, > >> as I'm sure you know. > > > >No, I didn't know that. How? > > Coo! iPlayer Downloader, http://www.limaromeo.com/iplayer-downloader/ > > Sometimes falls behind when the Beeb change the mechanisms, but > there's been a dozen or two updates over time and it mostly works. That does not capture and download the video streams - where `the' means `any of 'em'. It downloads the streams intended for use on the iPhone, which are not equipped with consumer rights limitation crud (due to no flash on the iPhone). > >> Admin privs are required to install the flash package because it lives > >> outside the Users filesystem, and in the security-controlled Internet > >> Addons folder. This has no bearing on its executable privileges - > >> flash does not get root privs at any time unless you trigger it as > >> root, it runs in userspace. > > > >Oh that's good news. Thanks for clearing that up. > > You can check the bundles yourself - there's no sticky bits to inherit > any privs, so they're clean. Whassat mean? > Um. As long as there aren't any extended attributes that might do the > same thing, I suppose - never occurred to me before. And you can check that every single file is as required in that line? Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Rowland McDonnell on 21 Jan 2010 00:30 Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote: > James Taylor: > > >Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: > > > >> James Taylor wrote: > >> > >>> Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: > >>> > >>>> the video streams themselves can be captured and downloaded, > >>>> as I'm sure you know. > >>> > >>> No, I didn't know that. How? > >> > >> Coo! iPlayer Downloader, http://www.limaromeo.com/iplayer-downloader/ > > > >I thought you were going to tell me to use a sniffer to capture the > >download TCP stream, extract the payload, and then remove the DRM using > >a tool that has the DRM keys extracted from iPlayer itself. It's almost > >an anti-climax to see you recommend an application that automatically > >does it all for me (assuming that's what it does). > > Yup. That's a very unix-mindset you've got on there! [snip] Really? It's what I was thinking and I'm not a Unixy type at all. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Rowland McDonnell on 21 Jan 2010 00:30
James Taylor <usenet(a)oakseed.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote: > Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: > > > James Taylor wrote: > > > >> Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: > >> > >>> the video streams themselves can be captured and downloaded, > >>> as I'm sure you know. > >> > >> No, I didn't know that. How? > > > > Coo! iPlayer Downloader, http://www.limaromeo.com/iplayer-downloader/ > > I thought you were going to tell me to use a sniffer to capture the > download TCP stream, extract the payload, and then remove the DRM using > a tool that has the DRM keys extracted from iPlayer itself. It's almost > an anti-climax to see you recommend an application that automatically > does it all for me (assuming that's what it does). > > Unfortunately, I don't run Mac OS X as an Internet facing OS any more. > I've become disillusioned because of Apple's poor security performance. ARGH! Apple's security delivery is better than almost everyone else's, you fool! Forget your paranoid panics - look at the damned evidence! > So for downloading iPlayer video I'd need software for Linux. > > Ah, here's a cross platform downloader: > <http://po-ru.com/projects/iplayer-downloader/> [snip] iPlayer Downloader is the Mac version of something that's cross-platform, yes. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking |