From: Kenny McCormack on
In article <87iq5dssd5.fsf(a)thumper.dhh.gt.org>,
John Hasler <jhasler(a)newsguy.com> wrote:
>Kenny McCormack writes:
>> What we are saying is that it *is* confusing to "newbies". People do
>> get it - it's not rocket science, as they say - but it is confusing at
>> first.
>
>Telling them that X is "backwards" just confuses them more in the long
>run.

No. Telling them that it is backwards compared to most of the other
computing models with which they come into contact with, helps them use
the correct terminology when using X (and when discussing it with
others).

--
> No, I haven't, that's why I'm asking questions. If you won't help me,
> why don't you just go find your lost manhood elsewhere.

CLC in a nutshell.

From: TomB on
On 2010-06-20, the following emerged from the brain of J G Miller:
> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 22:31:36 -0700, Todd wrote:
>> If I create his keys for him on my server
>
> You do NOT create the keys for him on your server.
>
> He creates his own keys on his own machine, and if it is running
> Windoze, he uses puttygen which comes as part of the PuTTY package.

I never tried it myself, but I suppose one could also use the openssh
package provided by cygwin to generate a keypair.

--
BOFH excuse #141:

disks spinning backwards - toggle the hemisphere jumper.
From: TomB on
On 2010-06-20, the following emerged from the brain of J G Miller:
> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 22:16:48 -0700, Todd wrote:
>
>> But if that is the way the X11 folks want to phrase it, it is okay
>> with me. Just as long as I know what they are up to so I can
>> adjust for their quirks in speech.
>
> What an insulting remark to people who know, understand and use the
> correct terminology.

Absolutely. I have never understood why most people *think* that X is
backwards in its 'server' and 'client' designations'. It makes perfect
sense, and they are using the terminology perfectly accurate.

The program providing the service (ie. the display service) is the
server; the program connecting to that service is the client. Nothing
backward at all.

--
BOFH excuse #336:

the xy axis in the trackball is coordinated with the summer solstice
From: John Hasler on
Todd writes:
> The big guy is listening for unsolicited requests. The lil' guy makes
> the unsolicited requests. What displays on the lil guys screen is
> always as a result of what it solicited from the big guy by its mouse
> movements and keystrokes.

No. First of all, the server and clients are processes, not machines.
Second, the X server does not make requests or initiate connections.
The clients initiate connections to it using the X11 server-client
protocol and then send it requests over those connections.

> The lil guy is not listening for unsolicited input from any other
> computer.

The X11 server is doing exactly that.
--
John Hasler
jhasler(a)newsguy.com
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA
From: General Schvantzkoph on
On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 14:26:57 +0000, TomB wrote:

> On 2010-06-20, the following emerged from the brain of J G Miller:
>> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 22:31:36 -0700, Todd wrote:
>>> If I create his keys for him on my server
>>
>> You do NOT create the keys for him on your server.
>>
>> He creates his own keys on his own machine, and if it is running
>> Windoze, he uses puttygen which comes as part of the PuTTY package.
>
> I never tried it myself, but I suppose one could also use the openssh
> package provided by cygwin to generate a keypair.

Cygwin works fine for that purpose. You can pretty much do anything that
an ssh client can do on Linux, create a keypair, ssh into a remote
machine, do rsyncs, run CVS over ssh. Cygwin uses an identical ~/.ssh
directory and the identical ~/.ssh/config files.