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"matt_sykes" <zzebowa(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On 26 Feb, 02:36, Coffee in Madrid <gde...(a)eastlink.ca> wrote:
> In article <4b871d1a$0$2364$d94e5...(a)news.iglou.com>,
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> "James" <kingko...(a)iglou.com> wrote:
> > "Sam Wormley" <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:wrSdnQAO_q2lhhrWnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d(a)mchsi.com
> > > 2009: Second warmest year on record; end of warmest decade
> > > http://climate.nasa.gov/news/index.cfm?NewsID=249
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> > > By Adam Voiland,
> > > NASA�s Earth Science News Team
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> > > "2009 was tied for the second warmest year in the modern record, a new
> > > NASA analysis of global surface temperature shows. The analysis,
> > > conducted by NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New
> > > York City, also shows that in the Southern Hemisphere, 2009 was the
> > > warmest year since modern records began in 1880.
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> > > "Although 2008 was the coolest year of the decade < due to strong
> > > cooling of the tropical Pacific Ocean < 2009 saw a return to
> > > near-record global temperatures. The past year was only a fraction of
> > > a degree cooler than 2005, the hottest year on record, and tied with
> > > a cluster of other years < 1998, 2002, 2003, 2006 and 2007 < as the
> > > second warmest year since recordkeeping began".
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> > According to the U.S. National Climate Data Center 2008 temperatures in
> > the USA were below the 115 year average for most of the country. U.S.
> > 2009 summer temperatures were also very cool, the 34th coolest since
> > 1895.
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> Its just a temporary downward blip in the global warming curve... seen
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The world has ben gently cooling for 10,000 years. The recent warming
is a blip in this descent.
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About 8000 actually, nice graph here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum

And yes, the Holocene climate optimum proves that the current warming is
trivial, and that there is no possible "tipping point"


From: Catoni on

enigma posted:

.... opinionated articles from the popular press. ha, ha,
ha, ha, ha,


Reply:

I wonder if those behind the Gorebull Warming agenda will ever
lean away
from opinionated articles and blogs and post credible evidence that
proves their claims.
From: Sam Wormley on
On 2/28/10 4:55 AM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:

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> Sorry Worm, we have weapon laws that prohibit's each kind of weapon, except
> for sports use where I live.
> If I imageine you with a machine gun, I'd better warn everybody within your
> range and to kill you first, before you can harm anybody.

You claim laws "laws that prohibits each kind of weapon, except
for sports" and at the same time "warn everybody within your
range and to kill you first". I don't know why you even brought up
the bit about laws.

> Here is a nice 13 minute lay-level presentation of that scenario:
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3318/01.html

Peter, you can tell this story to your grandchildren. Teach them how
to use automatic weapons to defend themselves and property against
the "have nots" in a world of dwindling resources and increasing
populations.
From: Sam Wormley on
On 2/28/10 4:58 AM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
> Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On 2/26/10 5:22 AM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
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>>> Your crystal ball told you?
>>> No sources for a "temporary" blip?
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>> Here is just one indicator of the blip!
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>>> Recent changes in a remote Arctic lake are unique within the past 200,000 years
>>> http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/10/16/0907094106
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>>> Yarrow Axforda,1, Jason P. Brinerb, Colin A. Cookec, Donna R. Francisd, Neal Micheluttie, Gifford H. Millera,f, John P. Smole, Elizabeth K. Thomasb, Cheryl R. Wilsone and Alexander P. Wolfec
>>> + Author Affiliations
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>> Abstract
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>> The Arctic is currently undergoing dramatic environmental
>> transformations, but it remains largely unknown how these changes
>> compare with long-term natural variability.
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> IOW, they have nothing.

I take it you don't have access to the full text.

From: Sam Wormley on
On 2/28/10 10:24 AM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:

> Use your brain, but remember to stick to 8 minutes of warm-up before
> posting obviously unintelligent blah blah.

NASA to Peter....

CLEANTECHNICA: NASA to Earth: Global Warming Is for Real, Folks!
NASA is putting its two cents into the global warming conversation with
a new Web site that details the climate change phenomenon, including
videos, articles and a huge archive of images
http://cl.exct.net/?qs=bb493ab0c40160cae3dcdd3f65e9769a9e5d4b1c53f56c4f6b30056f712da911


Climate Change: Follow The Money
Not that money is equivalent to truth, but sometimes it can be an
indication of motives. It�s no accident that oil money is behind
organizations like the Southeastern Legal Foundation, which is
challenging the U.S. EPA on greenhouse gas emissions, to say nothing of
Exxon�s history of involvement in climate denialism. Contrast that to
the U.S. Department of Defense, which just issued a Quadrennial Defense
Review assessing threats to national security that basically put the
entire U.S. military on global warming alert. So, follow the money:
some companies are betting against global warming (and therefore against
our national security if you believe the DoD), but a growing list of
other companies are putting their money behind NASA and the DoD by
supporting climate legislation and engaging in national sustainability
initiatives.

See:
http://cl.exct.net/?qs=bb493ab0c40160cae3dcdd3f65e9769a9e5d4b1c53f56c4f6b30056f712da911