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From: Painius on 26 Apr 2010 16:52 "HVAC" <mr.hvac(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:093fb2e7-85a2-44e4-9ec8-d9d2f636668c(a)i40g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... THE aliens are out there and Earth had better watch out, at least according to Stephen Hawking. He has suggested that extraterrestrials are almost certain to exist � but that instead of seeking them out, humanity should be doing all it that can to avoid any contact. The suggestions come in a new documentary series in which Hawking, one of the world�s leading scientists, will set out his latest thinking on some of the universe�s greatest mysteries. Alien life, he will suggest, is almost certain to exist in many other parts of the universe: not just in planets, but perhaps in the centre of stars or even floating in interplanetary space. Hawking�s logic on aliens is, for him, unusually simple. The universe, he points out, has 100 billion galaxies, each containing hundreds of millions of stars. In such a big place, Earth is unlikely to be the only planet where life has evolved. �To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational,� he said. �The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like.� The answer, he suggests, is that most of it will be the equivalent of microbes or simple animals � the sort of life that has dominated Earth for most of its history. One scene in his documentary for the Discovery Channel shows herds of two-legged herbivores browsing on an alien cliff-face where they are picked off by flying, yellow lizard-like predators. Another shows glowing fluorescent aquatic animals forming vast shoals in the oceans thought to underlie the thick ice coating Europa, one of the moons of Jupiter. Such scenes are speculative, but Hawking uses them to lead on to a serious point: that a few life forms could be intelligent and pose a threat. Hawking believes that contact with such a species could be devastating for humanity. He suggests that aliens might simply raid Earth for its resources and then move on: �We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn�t want to meet. I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach.� He concludes that trying to make contact with alien races is �a little too risky�. He said: �If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn�t turn out very well for the Native Americans.� The completion of the documentary marks a triumph for Hawking, now 68, who is paralysed by motor neurone disease and has very limited powers of communication. The project took him and his producers three years, during which he insisted on rewriting large chunks of the script and checking the filming. John Smithson, executive producer for Discovery, said: �He wanted to make a programme that was entertaining for a general audience as well as scientific and that�s a tough job, given the complexity of the ideas involved.� Hawking has suggested the possibility of alien life before but his views have been clarified by a series of scientific breakthroughs, such as the discovery, since 1995, of more than 450 planets orbiting distant stars, showing that planets are a common phenomenon. So far, all the new planets found have been far larger than Earth, but only because the telescopes used to detect them are not sensitive enough to detect Earth-sized bodies at such distances. Another breakthrough is the discovery that life on Earth has proven able to colonise its most extreme environments. If life can survive and evolve there, scientists reason, then perhaps nowhere is out of bounds. Hawking�s belief in aliens places him in good scientific company. In his recent Wonders of the Solar System BBC series, Professor Brian Cox backed the idea, too, suggesting Mars, Europa and Titan, a moon of Saturn, as likely places to look. Similarly, Lord Rees, the astronomer royal, warned in a lecture earlier this year that aliens might prove to be beyond human understanding. �I suspect there could be life and intelligence out there in forms we can�t conceive,� he said. �Just as a chimpanzee can�t understand quantum theory, it could be there are aspects of reality that are beyond the capacity of our brains.� $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ It all sounds paranoid and projective to me. Anyway, the point is probably moot, since we have been sending out signals for a long time, now. If they want us, or if they just want our planet, they'll find us. And yes, we'll be just like the native Americans of 1492... Talking, Gawking, and Squawking, jus' like Hawking. Wasn't it also his new program that refers to the Big Bang as an "explosion"? Seem it caters to the public like all the others. A lot of drama and hype, but very little actual realitive truth. happy days and... starry starry nights! -- Indelibly yours, Paine Ellsworth P.S.: "What is drama but life with the dull bits cut out." > Alfred Hitchcock P.P.S.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth
From: Painius on 26 Apr 2010 17:11 "HVAC" <mr.hvac(a)gmail.com> wrote... in message news:hr4dfv$1go$1(a)hvac.motzarella.org... > "oldcoot88" <oldcoot7074(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:4181ad19-afe1-431b-ae2e-76c3f1a7b584(a)t14g2000prm.googlegroups.com... >> >> There yoosta be a self-proclaimed extraterrestrial alien on here named >> 'Darla'. She was presented repeatedly with a 'litmus test' of alien- >> hood which went thusly: Any technologically advanced race capable of >> interstellar travel would understand the true nature of space and the >> causal mechanism of gravity. This would be basic kindergarden stuff. >> It would be prerequisite to building a hyperdrive. So please explain >> the true nature of space and the cause of gravity, and the principle >> of hyperdrive. Of course Darla hadn't a clue and bombed every time, >> presenting somethig to the effect that this is 'Level 6' data and >> cannot be divulged to earthlings. :) > > But of course! > > Sweet 'Darla' is a 54 year old man! She (or he) might take that as a compliment, since she's supposed to be more like 54 *million* years old. Actually even older than that, since she was supposed to have learned how to be a warrior by fighting with T-rexes. And since she's supposedly "fathered" a child, the "man" part would not be seen by her in a bad light. If you want to mow Darla down with words, you both need to try harder. As i recall, oc, it wasn't she didn't have a clue and bombed because she didn't respond. She *did* respond, and you just didn't care for her answer. She called it "Level 6" in the beginning, but later she did reveal stuff about space and gravity, but these things did not fully jive with your beliefs. And as i recall, there were some things she and her "crew" said that actually *did* jive with your and Wolter's ideas. Nothing wrong with being hostile, tho. Personally, i think she's here to suck all the resources off our planet. Some things are getting a bit too scarce a bit too fast. Like coffee. My favorite brand ain't always so easy to find these days. Wassup wit dat??? happy days and... starry starry nights! -- Indelibly yours, Paine Ellsworth P.S.: "What is drama but life with the dull bits cut out." > Alfred Hitchcock P.P.S.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth
From: Xan Du on 26 Apr 2010 17:38 On 4/26/2010 10:40 AM, Mr. 2 Cents wrote: > On 4/26/2010 7:24 AM, HVAC wrote: >> "Mr. 2 Cents"<nadda(a)nadda.com> wrote in message >> news:98gBn.368935$vr1.183725(a)en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com... >> On 4/26/2010 5:14 AM, HVAC wrote: >>> Similarly, Lord Rees, the astronomer royal, warned in a lecture >>> earlier this year that aliens might prove to be beyond human >>> understanding. >>> >>> �I suspect there could be life and intelligence out there in forms we >>> can�t conceive,� he said. �Just as a chimpanzee can�t understand >>> quantum theory, it could be there are aspects of reality that are >>> beyond the capacity of our brains.� >> >> The statement by Lord Rees is ridiculous and the same kind of fear >> mongering used by theists. I find it reprehensible a respected scientist >> would resort to such hyperbole. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> I agree. The odds on another intelligent civilization in >> our galaxy are pretty close to zero. > > > You might get your Abacus and reading skills tuned. > <rolling on the floor laughing> -Xan
From: razvlekatsa zabavlatsa on 26 Apr 2010 18:47 On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:11:28 -0400, "Painius" <starswirlernosp(a)maol.com> wrote: >she did reveal stuff >about space and gravity As long as feudal systems are in control of you and your establishments, you will never have the means to understand space or gravity. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news(a)netfront.net ---
From: HVAC on 26 Apr 2010 19:03
"Xan Du" <xan747(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hr522q$4ad$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > >> However, ETs do exist. > > I'm not likely to argue no to that one. That's because you, like Guth, are an idiot. That's not a knock, it's just the way it is. PS- The Drake equation is bullshit on an epic scale. -- Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics. |