From: nospam on
In article <3kxyersi7p4k$.12svwy3yosvt4.dlg(a)40tude.net>, Edwin
<thorne25(a)juno.com> wrote:

> > These are utter bullshit. The iPad (and iPhone) will play whatever media
> > you want to throw at them.
>
> I want to throw Flash media at them.

convert it to h.264. very easy. many videos are downsized anyway (no
need for 1080p on an iphone) so add in a conversion. plus, most video
can be found in non-flash formats, including youtube, vimeo and soon,
hulu.

> > They do not require DRM anything to play
> > media.
>
> So what does "jailbreaking" mean again?

jailbreak allows any software to run, including malware (there's
already a couple for jb'ed phones). it has nothing to do with drm.

> > Unlike your television, for example.
>
> Since when does television need DRM?

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection>

and for the old fogies, macrovision and vhs tapes.
From: JF Mezei on
AES wrote:

> Federal law to have a built-in capability such that the DVD itself (that
> is, signals read from the DVD by the player) can temporarily disable the
> Fast Forward button or other similar commands that may be issued from
> the remote or front-panel controls.

Yep. Used during the FBI/Interpol warnings at start of movies.
From: AES on
In article <4bdb3255$0$14763$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>,
Warren Oates <warren.oates(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> The DVD standard allows the author to disable _everything_ on the
> remote, piece by piece or all-at-once, while authoring, if needed. It's
> not temporary, though: once you've disabled functions on the remote,
> they're permanently disabled for that particular DVD.
>
> The US federal guvamint has no say in the matter, however. Where did you
> get that idea?

Sorry if I'm suffering from misunderstandings here (don't make much use
of commercial media myself; occasional viewer of Netflix DVDs, but not
much else).

My experience is that most of these DVDs start off by playing the
standard FBI warning message (as sternly worded as it is stupidly
pointless), during which user-initiated Fast Forward, Play, Menu, and
other similar commands are always temporarily disabled, as indicated
usually by a message that appears somewhere on the screen if you try to
use them, no matter how they're conveyed to the player.

Then may come a sequence of ads and previews (generally as unwanted as
they are unwelcome), during which these same commands seem to be still
disabled when playing some DVDs but not others.

My understanding was/is that this command disabling capability was
required by law to be built into the innards of all DVD players sold in
the U.S., in a way that could not be cancelled or overwritten by the
purchaser, on the grounds that the FBI message needed to be viewed by
the purchasers or renters of a DRM-protected DVD each and every time it
was played.

And my supposition was that this inane legal requirement was most likely
put into the law as the result of bribery (aka lobbying) of Congress by
media companies, some of whom at least wanted to be able to use it to
force us to watch their ads before we could view the entertainment
content on their DVDs.

Is either of these not the case? Can I buy a cheapo DVD player that
simply elects not to implement that command-disabling capability? Or
such a player in which that command-disabling capability can itself be
disabled or overridden in some simple and documented fashion?
From: Warren Oates on
In article <4bdb4847$0$12477$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>,
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Yep. Used during the FBI/Interpol warnings at start of movies.

That's still just part of the DVD standard, and it always has been. No
government has mandated that standard. You can disable any part of the
remote for any menu or track you want, or for the whole disc. The
copyright holders choose to disable the remote for the duration of the
FBI stuff.
--
Very old woody beets will never cook tender.
-- Fannie Farmer
From: Warren Oates on
In article
<siegman-2BD0E5.14232230042010(a)bmedcfsc-srv02.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>,
AES <siegman(a)stanford.edu> wrote:

> My understanding was/is that this command disabling capability was
> required by law to be built into the innards of all DVD players sold in
> the U.S., in a way that could not be cancelled or overwritten by the
> purchaser, on the grounds that the FBI message needed to be viewed by
> the purchasers or renters of a DRM-protected DVD each and every time it
> was played.

As I've said, control of the remote is at the discretion of the author
of the DVD, for whatever reasons he wants. He can restrict it for the
whole disc, or just certain portions.

There are valid and benign reasons for this. You might want the client
to watch _all_ of your presentation, dammit, and not zip through it. You
might want to disable the "stop" button, not to overly confuse the
client with choices. You might disable the "next" and "previous"
buttons, if there's only one movie.

You can't disable the "eject" button, though.

Now, I may be wrong about "the government." It's very possible that the
US Justice Dept. has said that every DVD manufactured for sale in the US
must have the fast-forward and "next" buttons disabled for the duration
of the FBI nonsense. But it's part of the existing standard.
--
Very old woody beets will never cook tender.
-- Fannie Farmer