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From: AES on 3 May 2010 16:11 In article <4bdee34f$0$5332$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, Warren Oates <warren.oates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > And any DVD players sold in the U.S. __must__ by Federal law build this > > un-over-ridable capability into the player, is that not true . . . ??? > > (If this is not true, I'll stand corrected.) > > > > And if it's true, how did this requirement get into Federal law? > > I don't think that's true. The DVD standard goes back too far, and the > user restrictions have always been part of it. Warren, do you _know_ that it's not true? I'm not talking about the DVD standard, which is a separate matter. I'm talking about what I've been led to believe is Federal law on the devices which can be sold (but I could be wrong on this).
From: JF Mezei on 3 May 2010 16:22 AES wrote: > I'm not talking about the DVD standard, which is a separate matter. I'm > talking about what I've been led to believe is Federal law on the > devices which can be sold (but I could be wrong on this). Actually, it might be a law which forces recorded devices to display the FBI/Interpol warnings. With VHS, you had to go through them (perhaps fast forward but still go through to find the start of the movie. But with DVDs, the technology allows the DVD maker to provide a means to skip over it to get to start of movie. On the other hand, it is the MAFIAA which wants those warnings on the movies and it doesn't need a law to have the motivation to use the technology to force people to see those warningfs.
From: Warren Oates on 3 May 2010 17:00 In article <siegman-210E15.13114503052010(a)bmedcfsc-srv02.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>, AES <siegman(a)stanford.edu> wrote: > Warren, do you _know_ that it's not true? > > I'm not talking about the DVD standard, which is a separate matter. I'm > talking about what I've been led to believe is Federal law on the > devices which can be sold (but I could be wrong on this). There's no trace of any such regulation, and I'm a pretty decent researcher. I did discover that, to destroy a DVD to US govt standards, it must be ground to 250 micron particles ... There were several big companies designed DVD, some of them weren't American. The UOPs are listed in Annex J, as it happens, and if you design a DVD player, that list tells you what operations you are _required_ to implement and which ones you're not. For instance, backward and forward scan aren't required to be present in your player at all. Neither is karaoke playback, fwiw. -- Very old woody beets will never cook tender. -- Fannie Farmer
From: Fa-groon on 3 May 2010 19:21 On Mon, 3 May 2010 14:00:35 -0700, Warren Oates wrote (in article <4bdf3974$0$19123$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>): > In article > <siegman-210E15.13114503052010(a)bmedcfsc-srv02.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>, > AES <siegman(a)stanford.edu> wrote: > >> Warren, do you _know_ that it's not true? >> >> I'm not talking about the DVD standard, which is a separate matter. I'm >> talking about what I've been led to believe is Federal law on the >> devices which can be sold (but I could be wrong on this). > > There's no trace of any such regulation, and I'm a pretty decent > researcher. I did discover that, to destroy a DVD to US govt standards, > it must be ground to 250 micron particles ... > > There were several big companies designed DVD, some of them weren't > American. > > The UOPs are listed in Annex J, as it happens, and if you design a DVD > player, that list tells you what operations you are _required_ to > implement and which ones you're not. For instance, backward and forward > scan aren't required to be present in your player at all. Neither is > karaoke playback, fwiw. > Hey Warren, are you related to the late actor of the same name?
From: Warren Oates on 4 May 2010 07:53
In article <0001HW.C804A872000702B6F01846D8(a)news.giganews.com>, Fa-groon <fa-groon(a)mad.com> wrote: > Hey Warren, are you related to the late actor of the same name? No. I took him as my, um, sock avatar, because I enjoyed his work so much. -- Very old woody beets will never cook tender. -- Fannie Farmer |