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From: BradGuth on 5 Nov 2007 10:56 On Oct 4, 12:48 pm, John Larkin <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:17:08 -0700,BradGuth<bradg...(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >On Oct 4, 8:43 am, John Larkin > ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:05:18 -0700,BradGuth<bradg...(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > > >> >On Oct 3, 5:31 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> > >> >wrote: > >> >> BradGuthwrote: > >> >> > John Larkin wrote: > >> >> > >Willie.Moo...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > >> >> > > >THE ANSWER - LOW COST HYDROGEN FROM SUNLIGHT > > >> >> > > >One simple solution I have is to reduce the cost of photovoltaics to > >> >> > > >less than 7 cents a peak watt - and use that DC power to produce > >> >> > > >hydrogen from DI water at very los cost. Then store that hydrogen in > >> >> > > >empty oil wells - about 100 day supply is needed for a stable national > >> >> > > >hydrogen supply system.. > > >> >> > > 7 cents a watt would be wonderful, but it's about 30:1 away from what > >> >> > > anybody is doing, even at the research level. And if we had such > >> >> > > power, the first rational use is to dump it into the grid, not convert > >> >> > > it to hydrogen at absurd net efficiency. > > >> >> > > Low cost solar would be great, but there's no particular link to > >> >> > > hydrogen. Too many "advanced" energy concepts are predicated on > >> >> > > ultra-cheap solar power, cheap enough to waste prodigiously. That > >> >> > > ain't gonna happen. > > >> >> > And your plan of action for the wasting of such spare/surplus clean > >> >> > energy is ???? > > >> >> There is no 'spare energy' nor is there ever likely to be. Simple economics will > >> >> prevent it. > > >> >You mean that Yids and others of your kind will prevent it. Trust me, > >> >we understand. > > >> It's remarkable how little you do understand. > > >> It's easy to imagine things when you are unencumbered by numbers. > > >> And what's this "Yid" obsession about? That makes as little sense as > >> the rest of your ravings. > > >You're not even from Earth, so how would you know or care otherwise? > > >Your black hole of insurmountable naysayism is so in denial that it's > >fully understandable as to why you'd knowingly work on behalf of the > >likes of big energy, or GW Bush or for that matter Hitler. > >- Brad Guth - > > I was invited to consult with a middle eastern power, to teach them > picosecond electronics for their nuclear weapons program, for big > bucks. And I had the opportunity to sell to a major cigarette > manufacturer. Turned them both down. > > And I sold several thousand end-use load survey meters used to analyze > power consumption and temperature data in homes and commercial > buildings. We're engineers here; we do things. > > John Then do such nifty things with the makings and using of h2o2+synfuel or h2o2+whatever fossil fuel, as for easily accomplishing that clean 100 empg Hummer at zero NOx, because such a hybrid Hummer or full sized hybrid SUV/truck is technically as doable as is the making of h2o2 or even LOx and LH2 from any number of clean and renewable energy sources (just ask William Mook, Warren Buffett or myself). Of course unlike yourself, I'm not nearly as all knowing, and I even make my fair share of mistakes, which means that I could always use some of your faultless expertise. - Brad Guth -
From: BradGuth on 5 Nov 2007 13:22 On Oct 5, 6:12 pm, The Ghost In The Machine <ew...(a)sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote: > In sci.physics, John Larkin > <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> > wrote > on Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:43:13 -0700 > <2c2ag3d2dob9segnld7ks2mj55dr8te...(a)4ax.com>: > > > > > On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:05:18 -0700,BradGuth<bradg...(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >>On Oct 3, 5:31 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> > >>wrote: > >>> BradGuthwrote: > >>> > John Larkin wrote: > >>> > >Willie.Moo...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > >>> > > >THE ANSWER - LOW COST HYDROGEN FROM SUNLIGHT > > >>> > > >One simple solution I have is to reduce the cost of photovoltaics to > >>> > > >less than 7 cents a peak watt - and use that DC power to produce > >>> > > >hydrogen from DI water at very los cost. Then store that hydrogen in > >>> > > >empty oil wells - about 100 day supply is needed for a stable national > >>> > > >hydrogen supply system.. > > >>> > > 7 cents a watt would be wonderful, but it's about 30:1 away from what > >>> > > anybody is doing, even at the research level. And if we had such > >>> > > power, the first rational use is to dump it into the grid, not convert > >>> > > it to hydrogen at absurd net efficiency. > > >>> > > Low cost solar would be great, but there's no particular link to > >>> > > hydrogen. Too many "advanced" energy concepts are predicated on > >>> > > ultra-cheap solar power, cheap enough to waste prodigiously. That > >>> > > ain't gonna happen. > > >>> > And your plan of action for the wasting of such spare/surplus clean > >>> > energy is ???? > > >>> There is no 'spare energy' nor is there ever likely to be. Simple economics will > >>> prevent it. > > >>You mean that Yids and others of your kind will prevent it. Trust me, > >>we understand. > > > It's remarkable how little you do understand. > > > It's easy to imagine things when you are unencumbered by numbers. > > > And what's this "Yid" obsession about? That makes as little sense as > > the rest of your ravings. > > Is it not obvious? Yids [*], of course, are preventing us > from building and then harvesting hydrogen peroxide from > these towers. It's all their fault. Don't be silly, as it's only the bad Yids here in their very own anti- think-tank of pretend atheists naysayism that's at fault, as most other Jews are simply good folks. > > It might be the yarmulkes, but it could be the dreidels. > Something about square spinning tops and wearing certain > headgear might hypnotize prospective investors into making > a beeline to the nearest oil well or coal mine instead of > doing the proper thing and building these towers. Funny, but perhaps true enough, as oddly these silly folks here in usenet naysayland don't seem to give a tinkers squat or even hardly worth their breaking wind about our badly failing environment, or much less as to the bloody spendy aspects of energy, especially of most any liquid forms of such energy that has to consume our polluted and mostly N2 atmosphere. > > Personally, I think hypnodisks and simple > chemistry/economics would be more effective, but what do > I know? I'm Yiddish, of course --BradGuthhas said so. Acting like a bad Yid is all it takes, just like acting like a Muslim having a bad postal kind of 9/11 day is all that it took, although like many such horrifically bad situations that shouldn't have ever happened, the whole truth and nothing but the truths about 9/11 are far from known by the general nonyiddish public, and as we all know darn good and well that Yids do not police their own kind, but they have been known to allow putting one of their own kind on a stick for an impressive faith-based PR stunt. (go figure) > > Mind you, I don't even have a yarmulke (though I do > have a baseball cap or two), and the closest thing I > have to a dreidel is a six-sided die, which I've lost > somewhere in this place of mine, along with the rest of > my Platonic-figured (aka Dungeons & Dragons) dice. Of > course, that shouldn't matter to a true bigot anyway... :-) So, those of your pretend atheist kind would just as soon let all the bad guys lose, all because there's no such thing as a bad soul on Earth, especially of any faith-based Yiddish or other holy grail kind as having any grasp of our private parts simply can't be one of the bad guys. No wonder we're headed for WWIII, and just as fast as your anti-bigotry worth of having been snookered and dumbfounded past the point of no return can possibly take us. And here we'd once thought Hitler was a bad sort. > > As for "spare energy"....I agree with Eeyore; we'll use > the surplus for various things, if there ever is one. > I'm not all that hopeful at this point, and in any event > supply and demand will balance things out -- electricity > will never be "too cheap to meter", as once claimed for > fission power. Wait until I'm in charge, along with the energy wizard likes of William Mook, Warren Buffett and others as smart or smarter than your entire borg collective of all those silly Zion Yids you so unconditionally love so much. - Brad Guth -
From: BradGuth on 5 Nov 2007 14:03 On Oct 4, 8:07 am, Charlie Edmondson <edmond...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > BradGuthwrote: > > we understand. > > > BTW, why don't you not like anything William Mook has to say? > > - Brad Guth - > > Hey Braddie, > We LIKE what Bill has to say. He is an engineer, and often asks > pertinent, engineering questions on this forum (SED) that provoke > interesting discussions. He has also done MATH on his proposals, and > admits that some of them are a little over the top, but we respect his > ideas even as we critique them! > > It is a whole different idea between "I don't think it will work." and > "What color is the sky on your planet?" ;-) > > Charlie But you folks never seem to support or otherwise promote, much less constructively contribute as to anything Mook. Instead you continually rant against and otherwise support the ongoing AGW process, as well as otherwise favor the polluting and spendy status quo of burning off fossil fuels in order to produce as much CO2 and NOx regardless of the consequences, and you have no objections whatsoever as to seeing a future of $1000/kg yellowcake that'll only further insure that we'll have to pay $1/kwhr plus having another $1/ gallon of federal excise tax applied to whatever liquid fuel in order to continually finance our global energy domination wars as based almost entirely upon the sorts of lies which you folks continually approve of. Why is that? - Brad Guth -
From: BradGuth on 5 Nov 2007 14:19 On Oct 5, 5:22 pm, JosephKK <joseph_barr...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > BradGuthbradg...(a)gmail.com posted to sci.electronics.design: > > > > > > > On Oct 4, 10:15 pm, JosephKK <joseph_barr...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >>BradGuthbradg...(a)gmail.com posted to sci.electronics.design: > > >> > On Oct 3, 7:08 pm, John Larkin > >> > <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >> >> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:26:55 -0700,BradGuth<bradg...(a)gmail.com> > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >On Oct 3, 4:58 pm, John Larkin > >> >> ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:20:40 > >> >> >> -0700,BradGuth<bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> >> >> >On Oct 3, 2:11 pm, John Larkin > >> >> >> ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:29:09 -0000, > >> >> >> >> Willie.Moo...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >THE ANSWER - LOW COST HYDROGEN FROM SUNLIGHT > > >> >> >> >> >One simple solution I have is to reduce the cost of > >> >> >> >> >photovoltaics to less than 7 cents a peak watt - and use > >> >> >> >> >that DC power to produce > >> >> >> >> >hydrogen from DI water at very los cost. Then store that > >> >> >> >> >hydrogen in empty oil wells - about 100 day supply is > >> >> >> >> >needed for a stable national hydrogen supply system.. > > >> >> >> >> 7 cents a watt would be wonderful, but it's about 30:1 > >> >> >> >> away from what anybody is doing, even at the research > >> >> >> >> level. And if we had such power, the first rational use is > >> >> >> >> to dump it into the grid, not convert it to hydrogen at > >> >> >> >> absurd net efficiency. > > >> >> >> >> Low cost solar would be great, but there's no particular > >> >> >> >> link to hydrogen. Too many "advanced" energy concepts are > >> >> >> >> predicated on ultra-cheap solar power, cheap enough to > >> >> >> >> waste prodigiously. That ain't gonna happen. > > >> >> >> >> John > > >> >> >> >And your plan of action for the wasting of such > >> >> >> >spare/surplus clean energy is ???? > >> >> >> >- Brad Guth - > > >> >> >> There's some debate about whether silicon solar cell arrays > >> >> >> *ever* deliver back the energy it took to manufacture them. > > >> >> >> And when I see projections of 20+ year lifetimes for solar > >> >> >> arrays, with no significant maintanance budget, I know I'm > >> >> >> dealing with dreamers. And let's not forget the batteries, > >> >> >> the inverters, and the fun with wind storms. > > >> >> >> Here, in San Francisco, rooftop solar is a fad, despite being > >> >> >> pretty far north and having maybe 1/3 of the days where the > >> >> >> sun actually shines. It's going to be fun when all those > >> >> >> roofs start leaking, and the panels need to be removed to get > >> >> >> at the roof. > > >> >> >Again I'll kindly ask, as to what would the all-knowing likes > >> >> >of John Larkin otherwise do with whatever spare/surplus clean > >> >> >energy? > > >> >> Is such a thing existed, which it doesn't and probably never > >> >> will, whoever owns it will sell it at market rates. > > >> >> >BTW, topic rubbish is entirely in the eye of the beholder, and > >> >> >I for > >> >> >one do not behold rubbish. Your out of context rants are > >> >> >typical of yet another ExxonMobil brown-nosed minion, whereas > >> >> >my rants are trying > >> >> >to be as on-topic positive and constructive. Of course you and > >> >> >others of your kind wouldn't see any difference, as you'd just > >> >> >as soon run everything on coal and mostly N2. > > >> >> How can you run anything on N2? > > >> >> >William Mook's perfectly good idea of effeciently creating and > >> >> >then piping his H2 into those old but trusty oil wells should > >> >> >buy us a few spare decades worth of spendy access to our very > >> >> >own raw fossil fuel > >> >> >(though a shame to waste all of that nifty H2). However, I was > >> >> >thinking along the lines of more like setting up 100 of my 4+MW > >> >> >tower units per day, if necessary we'd also import those > >> >> >required 10,000 assembly/installation workers at far less than > >> >> >$.10/dollar, especially since it's all pretty much way too > >> >> >complicated for the naysay likes of yourself or most other > >> >> >rusemasters in such naysay denial, and besides by then our > >> >> >dollar may not even be worth $.50 anyway. > > >> >> You've gone from ranting to raving. > > >> >> Can you do the math on one of your towers? The best engineers > >> >> and scientists can't get wind or solar generation up without > >> >> subsidies. It's not like nobody has thought of these things > >> >> before. > > >> > That's true, as I haven't invented or even discovered one damn > >> > thing. It's all old science and much older physics that hasn't > >> > changed nor > >> > will it likely ever change. The hard question is about > >> > accomplishing clean energy alternatives, not about whatever's the > >> > least spendy forms of energy on Earth that disregards human > >> > safety as well as having otherwise pillaged, raped and trashed > >> > mother Earth for all she's worth in the process, not to mention > >> > the likes of collateral spendy, mostly innocent bloody and > >> > otherwise extremely polluting wars that you folks can't seem to > >> > ever get enough of. > > >> > A sufficient mass production of those 100+ meter towers, along > >> > with their wind turbine driven generators plus whatever extent of > >> > the best available PVs that can also take advantage of each given > >> > tower without devouring or otherwise contaminating precious > >> > surface ground area seems entirely worth our doing, that is > >> > unless we surcome to the ENRON/ ExxonMobil naysay likes of > >> > yourself and of other coal burning and yellowcake polluting > >> > bigots for a buck, that are anything but birth-to- grave > >> > efficient or without having traumatised our frail environment > >> > past the point of no return. > > >> > Can you say again as to why you folks so hate humanity, and care > >> > less about our environment? > >> > - Brad Guth - > > >> Brad your problem is obvious: > > > Apparently it's so obviously that you and other rusemasters of your > > kind don't have a clue. > > - Brad Guth - > > If you do not like the reception you get here do not post here. > Nobody here is forcing you to post here. So, you folks and fellow Yids of naysayism don't much care for the whole truth and nothing but the truth about much of anything. No wonder you had to put your own kind on a stick for that faith-based PR stunt. - Brad Guth -
From: Charlie Edmondson on 5 Nov 2007 17:38
BradGuth wrote: > On Oct 4, 8:07 am, Charlie Edmondson <edmond...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > >>BradGuthwrote: >> >>>we understand. >> >>>BTW, why don't you not like anything William Mook has to say? >>>- Brad Guth - >> >>Hey Braddie, >>We LIKE what Bill has to say. He is an engineer, and often asks >>pertinent, engineering questions on this forum (SED) that provoke >>interesting discussions. He has also done MATH on his proposals, and >>admits that some of them are a little over the top, but we respect his >>ideas even as we critique them! >> >>It is a whole different idea between "I don't think it will work." and >>"What color is the sky on your planet?" ;-) >> >>Charlie > > > But you folks never seem to support or otherwise promote, much less > constructively contribute as to anything Mook. Instead you > continually rant against and otherwise support the ongoing AGW > process, as well as otherwise favor the polluting and spendy status > quo of burning off fossil fuels in order to produce as much CO2 and > NOx regardless of the consequences, and you have no objections > whatsoever as to seeing a future of $1000/kg yellowcake that'll only > further insure that we'll have to pay $1/kwhr plus having another $1/ > gallon of federal excise tax applied to whatever liquid fuel in order > to continually finance our global energy domination wars as based > almost entirely upon the sorts of lies which you folks continually > approve of. Why is that? > - Brad Guth - > Blue! If anyone from Earth asks you, its supposed to be Blue! And, you ain't listening. We have given Bill a lot of support and asked pertinent questions, to which he has given pertinent answers. He contributes regularly to threads that have nothing whatsoever to do with solar power or hydrogen, and everything to do with practical electronics. You, on the other hand, don't. Charlie |