From: Yusuf B Gursey on
On Feb 19, 5:14 am, Ruud Harmsen <r...(a)rudhar.eu> wrote:
> Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:34:10 +0100: James Hogg <Jas.H...(a)gOUTmail.com>:
> in sci.lang:
>
> >What could be simpler?
>
> The Jewish calendar.

the Jewish Calendar has a complicated algorithm, IIRC refined by the
famous 18th cent. mathematician Euler.
the complications are due to making sure that certain holidays do not
fall on certain days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Calendar

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Hebrew calendar

....

Special holiday rules
Adjustments are made to ensure certain holy days and festivals do or
do not fall on certain days of the week.

Yom Kippur
Adjustments are made to ensure that Yom Kippur, on which no work can
be done, does not fall on Friday (the day prior to the Sabbath) to
avoid having Yom Kippur's restrictions still going on at the start of
Sabbath, or on Sunday (the day after Shabbat) to avoid having the
Shabbat restrictions still going on at the start of Yom Kippur.

The Rosh Hashanah postponement rules are the mechanism used to make
the adjustments. As Yom Kippur falls on Tishrei 10, and Rosh Hashanah
falls on the 1st, the adjustment is made so that Rosh Hashanah does
not fall on a Wednesday or Friday.



To ensure that Yom Kippur does not directly precede or follow Shabbat,
and that Hoshana Rabbah is not on a Shabbat, in which case certain
ceremonies would be lost for a year, the first day of Rosh Hashanah
may only occur on Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays (the
"four gates"). Adjustments are made to ensure that Rosh Hashanah does
not fall on the other three days. To achieve that result the year may
be made into a short (chaser) year (both Kislev and Cheshvan have 29
days) or full (maleh) year (both Kislev and Cheshvan have 30 days).
(see table)

The day of the week on which Rosh Hashanah falls in any given year
will also be the day on which Sukkot and Shmini Atzeret will occur.

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>
> --
> Ruud Harmsen,http://rudhar.com

>>
From: António Marques on
Yusuf B Gursey wrote (19-02-2010 15:35):

> the Orthodox (Eastern) churches have a slightly different system.
> dunno exactly what it is.

Afaik the system is the same, it's March 21 that is different.
From: Mike Barnes on
John Atkinson <johnacko(a)bigpond.com>:
>Halmyre wrote:
>>
>> I just wish they'd settle on a date for Easter and be done with it.
>>
>But, the whole point of Easter is that it has a full moon!

A full-*ish* moon, actually. The definitions of the equinox and full
moon used when determining Easter are rather different from the real
definitions used by astronomers, which would actually give rise to
different (perhaps several weeks different) Easter dates depending on
one's longitude.

But I thought that for most people the whole point of Easter is that
they get time off work.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
From: Evan Kirshenbaum on
"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim(a)verizon.net> writes:

> On Feb 19, 4:34�am, James Hogg <Jas.H...(a)gOUTmail.com> wrote:

>> My Book of Common Prayer makes things easy by pointing out that
>> "the moon referred to in the definition of Easter Day is not the
>> actual moon of the heavens, but the Calendar Moon, or Moon of the
>> Lunar Cycle, which is counted as full on its fourteenth day,
>> reckoned from the day of the Calendar New Moon inclusive." Also, in
>> a Bissextile Year "the number of Sundays after Epiphany will be the
>> same, as if Easter Day had fallen one day later than it really
>> does."
>
> Which is why Easter and Passover rarely coincide -- we happen to have
> had a spate of coincidence in recent years, but that'll soon be over.

Which years were those? I had thought that the current Easter rules
made it impossible for it to fall on the 15th of Nissan.

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From: LFS on
Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:
> "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim(a)verizon.net> writes:
>
>> On Feb 19, 4:34 am, James Hogg <Jas.H...(a)gOUTmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> My Book of Common Prayer makes things easy by pointing out that
>>> "the moon referred to in the definition of Easter Day is not the
>>> actual moon of the heavens, but the Calendar Moon, or Moon of the
>>> Lunar Cycle, which is counted as full on its fourteenth day,
>>> reckoned from the day of the Calendar New Moon inclusive." Also, in
>>> a Bissextile Year "the number of Sundays after Epiphany will be the
>>> same, as if Easter Day had fallen one day later than it really
>>> does."
>> Which is why Easter and Passover rarely coincide -- we happen to have
>> had a spate of coincidence in recent years, but that'll soon be over.
>
> Which years were those? I had thought that the current Easter rules
> made it impossible for it to fall on the 15th of Nissan.
>

I understood that it is not actually impossible but that the coincidence
is very rare. ISTR it happened at some point in the early 1980s. Of
course, Passover week quite often covers Good Friday and Easter Sunday -
it does this year.

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