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From: Andrew Usher on 19 Feb 2010 18:10 On Feb 19, 4:56 pm, j...(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > > Well, but for those who don't it doesn't really matter one way or the other > > what day Christmas and Easter Sunday are, does it? So what relevance do they > > have for you to bring them along? Or was it just the desire to sound clever? > > That a calendar serves a purpose beyond keeping track of regional, ethnic, > or religious "celebrations" of one small group. It's hardly a small group, indeed perhaps larger than that for any other significant holiday in the world. And the Gregorian calendar that we use as already European-centered. > And trying to come up with a new calendar fixating on Christmas is about > as logical as fixating on Waitangi Day. This is just West-bashing. Andrew Usher
From: Peter T. Daniels on 19 Feb 2010 18:14 On Feb 19, 1:02 pm, Cheryl <cperk...(a)mun.ca> wrote: > Halmyre wrote: > > On 19 Feb, 09:12, John Atkinson <johna...(a)bigpond.com> wrote: > >> Halmyre wrote: > >>> On 19 Feb, 04:58, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>> "Andrew Usher" <k_over_hb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > >>>>news:65e2a2e7-1aef-4872-97a7-360fa6a10a6a(a)q21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > >>>>> Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the calendar, > >>>>> and attempting in passing to create a more perfect Church calendar, I > >>>>> say the following: > >>>>> 1. That Christmas day should be fixed to a Sunday, and this should be > >>>>> the Sunday between Dec. 21 and 27, and that in all civilised countries > >>>>> the Monday should be considered a holiday, or the Saturday if not > >>>>> normally. > >>>>> 2. That similarly Easter day should be fixed to the Sunday which is 15 > >>>>> weeks following Christmas. > >>>>> 3. That the leap year rule be changed to have a leap year occur every > >>>>> fourth save that it be delayed when the leap year would start on a > >>>>> Thursday, and that this gives 7 leap years in every 29, which is near > >>>>> enough. > >>>>> 4. That the perpetual calendar can be made, by considering the first > >>>>> day of the year of weeks to occur on the Sunday after the Assumption, > >>>>> and if this is the first possible calendar day, it is called week 1, > >>>>> and otherwise week 2, and every year runs through week 53. And this > >>>>> calendar ensures that everything can be fixed to a day of a certain > >>>>> week, in particular the American Thanksgiving must be made 31 days > >>>>> before Christmas. > >>>>> 6. This is surely the best possible arrangement that can be made, > >>>>> without disturbing the cycle of weeks or that of calendar days > >>>>> inherited from the Romans. > >>>>> Andrew Usher > >>>> The calendar has several sources, not just the Rome and the onewe habe in > >>>> fine as it is > >>> I just wish they'd settle on a date for Easter and be done with it. > >> But, the whole point of Easter is that it has a full moon! You might as > >> well scrap the whole thing otherwise. Or are you suggesting that we > >> only take holidays at Easter every four years or so, when your settled > >> date just happens to correspond with the right lunar phase? > > > We don't have Christmas only when there's a bright star in the east. > > > It's like saying "I was born on a Wednesday, so I'll only celebrate my > > birthday when it falls on a Wednesday". > > > -- > > Halmyre > > I suppose it all comes down to how much predictability each person > likes. Some people like all their holidays to come at the same time each > year, and others are happy to put up with Easter, for example, coming > late some years because other years it comes nice and early, which makes > a much-needed break in a long winter. I never did consider Easter to be > necessarily a spring holiday, myself. > > Of course, people living in places where they already have public > holidays in all three of the dreary months of January, February and > March wouldn't greet an early Easter with as much enthusiasm as I do. > > And I know Easter doesn't occur in January or February, but they seem > much longer than they are when Easter comes in the latter part of April; > and slightly shorter than they are when I have a March Easter to look > forward to. > > I want an official long holiday weekend in every single month, no > exceptions. I thought they should have used MLK Day to commemorate the March on Washington, rather than his birthday, since there are no holidays in August.
From: Andrew Usher on 19 Feb 2010 18:30 On Feb 19, 4:56 pm, j...(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > > Well, but for those who don't it doesn't really matter one way or the other > > what day Christmas and Easter Sunday are, does it? So what relevance do they > > have for you to bring them along? Or was it just the desire to sound clever? > That a calendar serves a purpose beyond keeping track of regional, ethnic, > or religious "celebrations" of one small group. It's hardly a small group, indeed perhaps larger than that for any other significant holiday in the world. And the Gregorian calendar that we use as already European-centered. > And trying to come up with a new calendar fixating on Christmas is about > as logical as fixating on Waitangi Day. This is just West-bashing. Andrew Usher
From: Robert Bannister on 19 Feb 2010 19:03 John Atkinson wrote: > Halmyre wrote: >> On 19 Feb, 04:58, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> "Andrew Usher" <k_over_hb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> >>> news:65e2a2e7-1aef-4872-97a7-360fa6a10a6a(a)q21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the calendar, >>>> and attempting in passing to create a more perfect Church calendar, I >>>> say the following: >>>> 1. That Christmas day should be fixed to a Sunday, and this should be >>>> the Sunday between Dec. 21 and 27, and that in all civilised countries >>>> the Monday should be considered a holiday, or the Saturday if not >>>> normally. >>>> 2. That similarly Easter day should be fixed to the Sunday which is 15 >>>> weeks following Christmas. >>>> 3. That the leap year rule be changed to have a leap year occur every >>>> fourth save that it be delayed when the leap year would start on a >>>> Thursday, and that this gives 7 leap years in every 29, which is near >>>> enough. >>>> 4. That the perpetual calendar can be made, by considering the first >>>> day of the year of weeks to occur on the Sunday after the Assumption, >>>> and if this is the first possible calendar day, it is called week 1, >>>> and otherwise week 2, and every year runs through week 53. And this >>>> calendar ensures that everything can be fixed to a day of a certain >>>> week, in particular the American Thanksgiving must be made 31 days >>>> before Christmas. >>>> 6. This is surely the best possible arrangement that can be made, >>>> without disturbing the cycle of weeks or that of calendar days >>>> inherited from the Romans. >>>> Andrew Usher >>> The calendar has several sources, not just the Rome and the onewe habe in >>> fine as it is >> I just wish they'd settle on a date for Easter and be done with it. >> > But, the whole point of Easter is that it has a full moon! You might as > well scrap the whole thing otherwise. Or are you suggesting that we > only take holidays at Easter every four years or so, when your “settled” > date just happens to correspond with the right lunar phase? Really, the whole point of Easter is celebrating the coming of northern hemisphere Spring, so it were better to change the date completely. -- Rob Bannister
From: Robert Bannister on 19 Feb 2010 19:07
Andrew Usher wrote: > Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the calendar, > and attempting in passing to create a more perfect Church calendar, I > say the following: > > 1. That Christmas day should be fixed to a Sunday, and this should be > the Sunday between Dec. 21 and 27, and that in all civilised countries > the Monday should be considered a holiday, or the Saturday if not > normally. > > 2. That similarly Easter day should be fixed to the Sunday which is 15 > weeks following Christmas. > > 3. That the leap year rule be changed to have a leap year occur every > fourth save that it be delayed when the leap year would start on a > Thursday, and that this gives 7 leap years in every 29, which is near > enough. > > 4. That the perpetual calendar can be made, by considering the first > day of the year of weeks to occur on the Sunday after the Assumption, > and if this is the first possible calendar day, it is called week 1, > and otherwise week 2, and every year runs through week 53. And this > calendar ensures that everything can be fixed to a day of a certain > week, in particular the American Thanksgiving must be made 31 days > before Christmas. > > 6. This is surely the best possible arrangement that can be made, > without disturbing the cycle of weeks or that of calendar days > inherited from the Romans. If you are going to try to make it sensible, then please give us 13 four-week months with one or two specially named days at the end of the year to even it out. The first day of each month should be a Monday. -- Rob Bannister |