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From: Adam Funk on 24 Feb 2010 15:13 On 2010-02-23, António Marques wrote: > Adam Funk wrote (23-02-2010 20:02): >> On 2010-02-23, António Marques wrote: >> >>> "Roman Catholic" ISN'T AN OFFICIAL SELF-DESIGNATION. ANYWHERE. >> >> Are you going to write to all the churches in the UK with "St ____'s >> Roman Catholic Church" or "St ____'s R. C. Church" on their signs, >> newsletters, websites, etc., to tell them that they are wrong? (I >> think this is common in much of the USA too.) > > I doubt that that's their legal name where they have one. Evan has produced some documentation for this, but in fairness I think I should point out that I was only talking about the situation in some English-speaking countries. I know that in France and Italy RC churches just have "Église St Pierre" (for example) on the sign, whereas others specify their denomination; I assume this is also the case in other countries where the RCC predominates (such as Portugal, I presume). -- Their tags shall blink until the end of days. BoM 12:10
From: Adam Funk on 24 Feb 2010 15:11 On 2010-02-24, Peter T. Daniels wrote: > On Feb 24, 6:40 am, Cheryl <cperk...(a)mun.ca> wrote: >> I think that's probably the key - the size and/or homogeneity of the >> location. I associate signs saying "St. So-and-So's Roman Catholic >> Church" with Toronto, which is a big enough and heterogeneous enough >> that it's a pretty good bet a good proportion of the population doesn't >> know which church is which. On the other hand, even in quite small >> towns, I've seen signs like "TownName United Church" or "St. So-and-So's >> Anglican Church", so that can't be the entire explanation. > > Do these "small towns" even _have_ a popish parish? "Popish"? Are you kidding? > "United" means exactly that -- it's not a denomination, but a bunch of > congregations that got together in order to survive at all despite the > organization of their individual hierarchies. Baptists and > Presbyterians are probably the easiest to assimilate to each other (no > clerical hierarchy), Don't US Presbyterians practise infant baptism? I would expect that to be a serious problem for Baptists. -- When Elaine turned 11, her mother sent her to train under Donald Knuth in his mountain hideaway. [XKCD 342]
From: Hatunen on 24 Feb 2010 15:20 On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:47:54 -0800 (PST), Andrew Usher <k_over_hbarc(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >Peter T. Daniels wrote: >> It is Usher who said "'The Church' refers to exactly one >> organisation" (complete with the quaint British spelling). > >You have provided no evidence to refute that people in general context >understand the phrase to particularly refer to that church headed by >the Pope. It seems to me that "the church" refers to whatever church the speaker belongs to. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
From: Hatunen on 24 Feb 2010 15:22 On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:15:35 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim(a)verizon.net> wrote: >On Feb 23, 8:07�pm, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> Indeed, indexing is not the same thing as counting. If I were creating >> a non-computer _indexing_ system, I would start from 0 as well. > >What would you be indexing? Books, for instance, don't have a p. 0. That comes down to the question of whether the cardinal numbers include zero. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
From: sjdevnull on 24 Feb 2010 15:27
On Feb 24, 2:08 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > On Feb 23, 7:07 pm, António Marques <antonio...(a)sapo.pt> wrote: > > > > > > > Hatunen wrote (23-02-2010 22:47): > > > > I believe that a great many of the churches which once split away > > > from the church of Rome considered themselves the true catholic > > > chuch. > > > > Certainly the Anglicans do. The Anglican covenant says, > > > > "(1.1.1) its communion in the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic > > > Church, worshipping the one true God, Father, Son, and Holy > > > Spirit." > > > Of course they do. But when it comes to self-identify, only one church on > > this planet consistenty refers to itself simply as 'the Catholic Church' (it > > also uses other names, namely 'the Church', and where pragmatism requires > > 'the Roman Catholic Church' - but the 'Roman' adds nothing, unlike 'Old' or > > 'Polish National' - the RC doesn't see any added value in Roman, it doesn't > > contribute to the meaning with anything that wasn't there before). > > > Besides, until recently, no other church lived for a universal ('catholic') > > vocation. Sure, many of them did have one, but not as a central structuring > > element. Notice the RC was never 'the Italian Church' even when popes were > > italian for centuries long. > > Doesn't _every_ extant Christian church use the Nicene Creed? (With or > without the _filioque_.) Not at all. The Nicene creed was explicitly designed to advocate a Trinitarian position and to brand non-Trinitarian sects (the Arians in particular) as heretics. It quite intentionally defines one subset of Christianity (and not every Trinitarian sect uses the Nicene Creed-- Quakers, for instance, explicitly reject using any creed). Some examples of modern-day non-Trinitarians, who would reject the key Nicene doctrinal tenets: USA: The Adventists (not just Jehovah's Witnesses and 7th Day, but also Christadelphians, Church of God, etc) and the Oneness Pentecostals China: True Jesus Church and many others (pretty much every Chinese protestant sect doesn't use the Nicene creed) Africa: Apostolic Church of Ethiopia Ireland: Christian Conventions Russia: Doukhobors, Molokans Switzerland, Italy, Germany and surrounding areas: the Friends of Man Sweden: Swedenborgians North and South America: Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus Phillipines: Iglesia ni Cristo There are plenty of others, too. Some of those have only a few tens of thousands of members (Molokans); others, like the AAFCJ, True Jesus Church, Iglesia ni Cristo, and Apostolic Church of Ethiopia have a million members or more. Many famous devout Christians (e.g. Isaac Newton, John Locke) drew from Arian-inspired faiths such as the Polish Brethren and would certainly not believe in the Nicene Creed. |