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From: Chuck Riggs on 24 Feb 2010 09:59 On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:54:36 -0800, "Skitt" <skitt99(a)comcast.net> wrote: >Brian M. Scott wrote: >> Skitt wrote: >>> Brian M. Scott wrote: >>>> Skitt wrote: >>>>> PaulJK wrote: > >>>>>> We invented DST to set clocks back one hour in summer >> >>>>> forward >> >>>> That's the usual terminology, at least in the U.S., but it >>>> does depends on one's point of view. >> >>> Deciding whether a clock runs forward or backward, you mean? >> >> No. When you push the time from (say) 10 to 11, you can see >> this as pushing it away from you, just as you might push an >> opponent back. When you let it go from 11 to 10, you're >> then letting it approach you, i.e., come forward. > >That is a strange way to look at it with regard to time. What happens to >the "spring forward" and "fall back" reminder? It gets reversed for the >people of that persuasion? Reciting that mnemonic, I've noticed, is one of the few times an Irish person has any use for the AmE word, fall. -- Regards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE
From: Chuck Riggs on 24 Feb 2010 10:04 On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:47:50 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim(a)verizon.net> wrote: >On Feb 23, 12:52�am, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...(a)csuohio.edu> wrote: >> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:32:03 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels" >> <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote in >> <news:ad442cf6-ce22-4ffe-b05b-786b865fb3fc(a)g19g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> >> in >> sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english: >> >> > On Feb 22, 10:55�pm, "Brian M. Scott" >> > <b.sc...(a)csuohio.edu> wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> >> I can't imagine why you think that I'd change my mind. �As >> >> far as I'm concerned, DST has no disadvantages at any time >> >> of year in any climate at any latitude. �In winter at higher >> >> latitudes its advantages are minimal, but it still has no >> >> disadvantages. �I couldn't care less how dark it is in the >> >> morning; it's in the afternoon and evening that I want the >> >> benefit of as much daylight as possible. >> > The point is that the kiddies shouldn't go off to school >> > in the dark. >> >> I hadn't noticed that DST would make much difference to that >> in many of the places that I've lived. > >Who was it said "I couldn't care less how dark it is in the morning"? I don't know, but Cher has been known to say "I could care less...". -- Regards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE
From: Evan Kirshenbaum on 24 Feb 2010 10:04 "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim(a)verizon.net> writes: > On Feb 24, 3:13�am, Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenb...(a)hpl.hp.com> wrote: >> "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> writes: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Feb 23, 11:01 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...(a)csuohio.edu> wrote: >> >> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:48:34 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels" >> >> <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote in >> >> <news:b635eda9-c279-4467-91f7-041a0adef830(a)g23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> >> >> in >> >> sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english: >> >> >> > On Feb 23, 12:27 pm, Hatunen <hatu...(a)cox.net> wrote: >> >> >> [...] >> >> >> >> I've hear it commented that daylight time was invented by an >> >> >> Amrican Indian who, finding his blanket too short to reach >> >> >> his chin, cut off the lower end of the blanket and sewed it >> >> >> onto the upper end. >> >> >> [...] >> >> >> > Is there a reason for attaching that story to a particular >> >> > ethnicity? [...] >> >> >> Quite possibly accuracy in reporting. >> >> > So if it were told about "Ol' Uncle Tom," that would be "accuracy >> > in reporting" too? >> >> If that's the way he heard it, sure. > > But since we know it's a tall tale, we know that it is not "true" or > "reportage." What the story tells us is that the most recent teller > has a low opinion of American Indians, Irishmen, or (in my > hypothetical), African Americans. What's "reportage" is the "I've heard it commented". If Dave, living in Arizona, has heard it told about Indians, then that's the tale he's reporting having heard. And the choice of ethnicity is an interesting part of the tale, giving insight into the attitudes of those who tell it (as distinct from those who merely report having heard it). -- Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |The look on our faces isn't confusion. 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |It's disbelief. Palo Alto, CA 94304 | | Jon Stewart kirshenbaum(a)hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/
From: Tak To on 24 Feb 2010 10:08 jimp(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > In sci.physics Andrew Usher <k_over_hbarc(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> Evan Kirshenbaum wrote: >> >>>>>> I chose the Christian holidays because they are international, >>>>> ??? >>>> They're more so than any other holidays, are they not? >>> I suspect that you could find people celebrating Pesach, Purim, Rosh >>> Hashanah, and Yom Kippur in as many countries as any four Christian >>> holidays. >> Well, yes, but not _more people_. >> >> Andrew Usher > > With roughly 1.3 billion Chinese alone, New Years is celebrated by a LOT > more people. And 70m Korean and 89m Vietnamese. There are also est 40m ethnic Chinese living in other countries. Lately the Koreans want to rename "Chinese New Year" as "Asian New Year" in the US. Tak -- ----------------------------------------------------------------+----- Tak To takto(a)alum.mit.eduxx --------------------------------------------------------------------^^ [taode takto ~{LU5B~}] NB: trim the xx to get my real email addr
From: Chuck Riggs on 24 Feb 2010 10:13
On 23 Feb 2010 17:41:22 -0800, R H Draney <dadoctah(a)spamcop.net> wrote: >Robert Bannister filted: >> >>The eternal rift between morning and evening people. I get very ratty >>when politicians force me to get up in the dark more often than need be, >>whereas I think dinner is best eaten when it is dark outside. > >Quite right...I had breakfast yesterday at noon, and dinner at midnight....r Scrambled eggs and coffee at noon, is lunch just the same, IMO. The transition, the uncrossable barrier, is around ten. -- Regards, Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE |