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From: Peter T. Daniels on 24 Feb 2010 08:50 On Feb 24, 4:28 am, "PaulJK" <paul.kr...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > António Marques wrote: > > Adam Funk wrote (23-02-2010 11:39): > >> On 2010-02-23, Andrew Usher wrote: > > >>>>> The Catholic Church has stated, I believe more than once (it's linked > >>>>> to somewhere in this thread) that fixing Easter to a particular week > >>>>> would be acceptable. > > >> ("Catholic" is a commonly used but imprecise abbreviation of "Roman > >> Catholic".) > > >>> Peter T. Daniels wrote: > > >>>> "The Catholic Church" (which refers to no specific organization) > >>>> hasn't spoken for all of Christendom for nearly half a millennium. > > >>> 'The Catholic Church' or simply 'The Church' refers to exactly one > >>> organisation. It's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. Also, it's been > >>> longer than half a millennium if one includes the East. > > >> The "Roman Catholic Church", the "Old Catholic Church", and the > >> "Polish National Catholic Church" are independent of each other. > > >> The "Eastern Catholic Churches" are under papal authority but I don't > >> think they describe themselves as "Roman Catholic". > > > Gad, not again! You're trolling, aren't you? > > > "Roman Catholic" ISN'T AN OFFICIAL SELF-DESIGNATION. ANYWHERE. > > I was just skimming through, but these screaming capitals > stopped me dead in my tracks. I reached into my legal files and > pulled out my "Geburts- und Taufschein / Rodný a kÅestnà list", > (Birth and Christening certificate). > > Under "Religion / NáboženstvÃ" is pre-printed "römisch-katholische / ÅÃmsko-katolické". > > It's not in English but it is clearly stated in two different languages. > What could be a clearer example of self-designation. That sounds like it was issued by the Czechoslovak government, which assumed that there were no Protestants -- let alone any Jews -- born within its borders? (A church wouldn't be in a position to issue a birth certificate, would it?) I.e., not a _self_-designation. -- Does that mean Rimsky-Korsakov('s family) was Catholic?
From: Peter T. Daniels on 24 Feb 2010 08:55 On Feb 24, 3:13 am, Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenb...(a)hpl.hp.com> wrote: > "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> writes: > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 11:01 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...(a)csuohio.edu> wrote: > >> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:48:34 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels" > >> <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote in > >> <news:b635eda9-c279-4467-91f7-041a0adef830(a)g23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> > >> in > >> sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english: > > >> > On Feb 23, 12:27 pm, Hatunen <hatu...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > >> [...] > > >> >> I've hear it commented that daylight time was invented by an > >> >> Amrican Indian who, finding his blanket too short to reach his > >> >> chin, cut off the lower end of the blanket and sewed it onto the > >> >> upper end. > > >> [...] > > >> > Is there a reason for attaching that story to a particular > >> > ethnicity? [...] > > >> Quite possibly accuracy in reporting. > > > So if it were told about "Ol' Uncle Tom," that would be "accuracy in > > reporting" too? > > If that's the way he heard it, sure. But since we know it's a tall tale, we know that it is not "true" or "reportage." What the story tells us is that the most recent teller has a low opinion of American Indians, Irishmen, or (in my hypothetical), African Americans. Garrison Keillor (in the annual "joke show") for a while told "blonde" jokes rather than "Polish" jokes, and then "Iowan" jokes. (I'm not sure whether "Ole and Lena" jokes are a different subgenre, but that makes them into self-mockery, which is about the least offensive possible.)
From: Peter T. Daniels on 24 Feb 2010 09:02 On Feb 24, 4:49 am, "benli...(a)ihug.co.nz" <benli...(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote: > On Feb 24, 11:43 am, Mike Barnes <mikebar...(a)bluebottle.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Brian M. Scott <b.sc...(a)csuohio.edu>: > > > >On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:57:11 -0800, Skitt > > ><skit...(a)comcast.net> wrote in > > ><news:hm18ef$9gh$1(a)news.albasani.net> in > > >sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english: > > > >> Brian M. Scott wrote: > > >>> Skitt wrote: > > >>>> PaulJK wrote: > > > >>>>> We invented DST to set clocks back one hour in summer > > > >>>> forward > > > >>> That's the usual terminology, at least in the U.S., but it > > >>> does depends on one's point of view. > > > >> Deciding whether a clock runs forward or backward, you mean? > > > >No. When you push the time from (say) 10 to 11, you can see > > >this as pushing it away from you, just as you might push an > > >opponent back. When you let it go from 11 to 10, you're > > >then letting it approach you, i.e., come forward. > > > That's true only before the event. Afterwards, going from 11 to 10 is > > receding. > > > But I have some sympathy with your confusion. I get totally confused > > when someone describes a time zone as being "ahead of" or "behind" > > another. It can be either, depending on one's viewpoint. > > > -- > > Mike Barnes > > Cheshire, England > > Discussion on sci.lang during the Beijing Olympics: > > Ross in New Zealand: > > > > We are 4 hours later than China. During the games we were getting live > > > coverage from noon to 2am, i.e. 8am to 10pm Beijing time. > > Peter in NY: > > > I think you're earlier, because your 8:00 was 4 hours before their > > 8:00. > > Ross: > We are earlier in arriving at a given time, but on the other hand, if > you ask "What time is it?", it is four hours later here than there. > > Peter: > > > Surely you can't say that NY is 12 hr earlier than China? We're > > _behind_ them, you're _ahead_ of them. > > etc.- It's really annoying this year -- Vancouver is only three hours ahead of us (i.e., they've already had their morning events by the time it's morning here), so lots of what NBC is showing us on tape could easily have been done live. (The first night of figure skating had the magic notation "Live," but it disappeared since -- presumably so they can do time compression and eliminate the waits between performance and score, and between performances. They even broke in the other day to show the last minute of the US-Canada hockey game, which was being shown live on MSNBC for those with cable, instead of their prepared piece on the day's [yawn] two-man bobsledding.) Do the Pacific states get the same coverage we do? -- I will never forget what the BBC did to the 1992 World Series. See the archive for a description, several times. --
From: Cheryl on 24 Feb 2010 09:19 Peter T. Daniels wrote: > On Feb 24, 6:40 am, Cheryl <cperk...(a)mun.ca> wrote: >> Peter T. Daniels wrote: >>> On Feb 23, 8:12 pm, Robert Bannister <robb...(a)bigpond.com> wrote: >>>> Adam Funk wrote: >>>>> On 2010-02-23, Ant nio Marques wrote: >>>>>> "Roman Catholic" ISN'T AN OFFICIAL SELF-DESIGNATION. ANYWHERE. >>>>> Are you going to write to all the churches in the UK with "St ____'s >>>>> Roman Catholic Church" or "St ____'s R. C. Church" on their signs, >>>>> newsletters, websites, etc., to tell them that they are wrong? (I >>>>> think this is common in much of the USA too.) >>>> I won't try to claim such signs don't exist, but I don't remember ever >>>> seeing one. The only way I can tell a church is RC is by the >>>> architecture and usually by the name (saint I've never heard of or >>>> long-winded way of saying Mary). >>> Do you only visit villages so small that they have only one church, or >>> so homogeneous that they only have a sprinkling of Protestant churches? >> I think that's probably the key - the size and/or homogeneity of the >> location. I associate signs saying "St. So-and-So's Roman Catholic >> Church" with Toronto, which is a big enough and heterogeneous enough >> that it's a pretty good bet a good proportion of the population doesn't >> know which church is which. On the other hand, even in quite small >> towns, I've seen signs like "TownName United Church" or "St. So-and-So's >> Anglican Church", so that can't be the entire explanation. > > Do these "small towns" even _have_ a popish parish? Sometimes, yes, although more commonly if they're THAT small, they'd have one or the other - some version of Protestant or Roman Catholic. My home province has close to 40% of the population reporting themselves in surveys as Roman Catholics, so even thought they're not entirely evenly sprinkled over the entire area, there are lots of small towns that are or are part of a Roman Catholic parish. Nowadays, they usually have to share a priest with several other small towns, but they still have their church. > "United" means exactly that -- it's not a denomination, but a bunch of > congregations that got together in order to survive at all despite the > organization of their individual hierarchies. Baptists and > Presbyterians are probably the easiest to assimilate to each other (no > clerical hierarchy), then Methodists (whose "bishops" don't claim the > apostolic succession of the Episcopalians and Catholics). So in a > really big and socially stratified small village, you might find a > Protestant church, an Episcopal one (that's the US term for the > Anglican Communion, which more and more seems as though it soon won't > be one), and a Catholic one. Ummm - in Canada, 'United Church' is a separate denomination, founded by Methodists, Presbyterians, and two other groups I tend to forget. http://www.united-church.ca/ Congregationalists. I thought there was a fourth (Church of Christ), but apparently not. Some Presbyterians remained independent - there are two Presbyterian churches in my city - but the United Church must be the largest and most mainstream of the Protestant churches in Canada. I was thoroughly confused for a time when I first encountered 'Unitarian ', as in 'Unitarian Universalism' and assumed that it was the same as the United Church. > When we went on vacation during the school year I had to bring > evidence of "church attendance" in order not to get penalized for > missing Sunday School. The one I most remember was the Church of the > Presidents, an Episcopal church very close to both the White House and > our hotel (which was still the one presidents would occasionally turn > up at, although that practice has recently become quite a burden on > whichever church would be involved). Thus a Scotch-Irish Presbyterian > congregation wasn't particularly particular in the 1950s/60s. Particular enough to require proof of attendance, though! The only person who insisted I attend Sunday School at all was my mother, and I became so bored with it that I did a deal with her - I didn't have to go to Sunday School, and I wouldn't complain at all about attending the regular services, which at that time were in traditional language with no special children's talk or any other accommodation for children. I still think I got by far the better part of that deal, although it did leave me with a fondness for Victorian hymns. -- Cheryl
From: tony cooper on 24 Feb 2010 09:56
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:24:18 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv(a)aol> wrote: >Michael Press wrote: >> In article <7ufdetFoc1U1(a)mid.individual.net>, Cheryl <cperkins(a)mun.ca> >> wrote: >> >> >> [...] >> >>> But we still lack a February holiday, unless we have a big enough snowstorm. >> >> February is the cruelest month. >> >February is the longest month. I thought US had President's Day in >February now. As far as I can tell, the only employers that are closed on President's Day are government offices, schools, and banks. To the rest of the working stiffs, President's Day is just another work-day...a busier work-day for retail employees, in fact. For some reason, retailers think that I will be in the market for a new refrigerator, set of pillow cases, or an automobile in honor of President James J. Polk. Newspapers benefit from President's Day from all of the full-page sale advertisements. My son was shopping for new tires and found that a local tire store, that normally offers a 25% discount on purchase of four tires, had a President's Day sale offering of four tires for the price of three. Was P.T. Barnum ever President? -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |