From: Yusuf B Gursey on
On Feb 24, 2:08 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> On Feb 23, 7:07 pm, António Marques <antonio...(a)sapo.pt> wrote:
>
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> > Hatunen wrote (23-02-2010 22:47):
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> > > I believe that a great many of the churches which once split away
> > > from the church of Rome considered themselves the true catholic
> > > chuch.
>
> > > Certainly the Anglicans do. The Anglican covenant says,
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> > > "(1.1.1) its communion in the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic
> > > Church, worshipping the one true God, Father, Son, and Holy
> > > Spirit."
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> > Of course they do. But when it comes to self-identify, only one church on
> > this planet consistenty refers to itself simply as 'the Catholic Church' (it
> > also uses other names, namely 'the Church', and where pragmatism requires
> > 'the Roman Catholic Church' - but the 'Roman' adds nothing, unlike 'Old' or
> > 'Polish National' - the RC doesn't see any added value in Roman, it doesn't
> > contribute to the meaning with anything that wasn't there before).
>
> > Besides, until recently, no other church lived for a universal ('catholic')
> > vocation. Sure, many of them did have one, but not as a central structuring
> > element. Notice the RC was never 'the Italian Church' even when popes were
> > italian for centuries long.
>
> Doesn't _every_ extant Christian church use theNicene Creed? (With or
> without the _filioque_.)

historically there were Jewish Christians, who regarded Jesus as a
prophet in the Old Testament tradition, and there were the Aryans. but
these are historical
From: Adam Funk on
On 2010-02-24, Cheryl wrote:

> Ummm - in Canada, 'United Church' is a separate denomination, founded by
> Methodists, Presbyterians, and two other groups I tend to forget.
>
> http://www.united-church.ca/
>
> Congregationalists. I thought there was a fourth (Church of Christ), but
> apparently not. Some Presbyterians remained independent - there are two
> Presbyterian churches in my city - but the United Church must be the
> largest and most mainstream of the Protestant churches in Canada.

I remember reading about this in one of Robertson Davies's novels.


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From: Brian M. Scott on
Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Feb 24, 10:04 am, Evan Kirshenbaum
> <kirshenb...(a)hpl.hp.com> wrote:

[...]

>> What's "reportage" is the "I've heard it commented".
>> If Dave, living in Arizona, has heard it told about
>> Indians, then that's the tale he's reporting having
>> heard. And the choice of ethnicity is an interesting
>> part of the tale, giving insight into the attitudes of
>> those who tell it (as distinct from those who merely
>> report having heard it).

> So ... that Dave has a prejudice concerning American
> Indians is something he thought we all should know?

No. It's an asinine unjustified inference on your part.

Brian
From: Hatunen on
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:33:06 +0800, Robert Bannister
<robban1(a)bigpond.com> wrote:

>It depends where you live and what time school starts and finishes in
>your area. To get to school by 8 or 8:15 am, some country kids need to
>be on the school bus by 7. Now, when daylight saving was first
>introduced, it only covered the summer months, but then they had to
>tamper with it, so that by the end of the period now, 7 am is before
>sunrise.

I first moved to Arizona in the summer of 1966, which was just
after Congress standardized daylight time. The act required that
a state wanting to opt out of daylight time had to pass a law to
that effect, and the Arizona legislature (just as klutzy then as
now) failed to do so. So we had daylight time. One thing
Arizonans don't need is another hour of sunlight in the evening;
when the sun goes down you can actually feel the cool coming on.

The drive-in movies didn't start until nine and meahwhile you had
to sit in your car in the heat waiting for sundown. In September
the kids went to school in the dark; the paper had a photo of a
bunch of students waiting for their school bus near a fire,
built, it said, to ward off coyotes.

Nobody liked daylight time and the legislature got off its
collective butt and passed the law. Arizona has been without
daylight time ever since (save for the Navajo Nation, which adds
its own confusion since the enclaved Hopi Nation stays on
standard time).

Prior to national daylight time standardization daylight time was
adopted by local jurisdictions, sometimes by whole states,
sometimes by individual cities. When I was a young man Ohio had
no state daylight time, and local jurisdictions did it. My
hometown of Warren OH adopted daylight time, but it did not apply
to the rest of the county (which did not have the authority to
adopt such a law). Almost everyone in the county used daylight
time since Warren was the county seat and business center. The
one group of businesses that didn't use daylight time were the
bars in the county. By remaining on standard time they were able
to stay open until 2:30 AM EST, legal closing time; but on the
daylight time we were all functioning on that was 3:30 AM.

Unfortunately, each jurisdiction was free to choose the start and
end dates for their daylight time. When I was in school in Troy
NY in the 1950s my roommate arranged dates for us at Green
Mountain College in Poultney Vermont. We had to make a stop at
his home in Williamstown MA before proceeding into Vermont. Now
Williamstown MA is only about forty miles east of Troy NY and
only about thirty miles south of Poultney VT, but each state had
different daylight time start dates, and this was during that
time of year. We managed to get totally confused about what time
it was where, and by the time we arrived at Green Mountain
College our dates had gone on without us. (We did manage to find
a couple of other girls who agreed to go out with us.)



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From: Hatunen on
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:30:28 -0800 (PST), Transfer Principle
<lwalke3(a)lausd.net> wrote:
>So even though the summer break in Japan occurs at around the
>same time as in Europe, the actual school year (i.e., when
>students advance one grade) starts April 1st, not September.
>
>India also differs from most northern hemisphere nations:
>
>"In elementary and high school, the school year is usually
>from June to April, while in Universities it is from August
>to April."

One of the main reasons for the timing of the summer school break
in the USA was the once largely agrarian society of family farms
that needed the kids available to work in the fields during the
growing season.

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