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From: sjdevnull on 26 Feb 2010 21:11 On Feb 26, 7:00 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > On Feb 26, 6:45 pm, "sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com" <sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 26, 3:51 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > > > On Feb 26, 2:30 pm, "sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com" <sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 26, 12:52 pm, mstem...(a)walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) > > > > wrote: > > > > > > In article <7uomssFvk...(a)mid.individual.net>, Robert Bannister <robb...(a)bigpond.com> writes: > > > > > >tony cooper wrote: > > > > > >> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:14:04 +0800, Robert Bannister <robb...(a)bigpond.com> wrote: > > > > > >>> Ant nio Marques wrote: > > > > > > >>>> It's not what you think. Either the Church's message is universal and > > > > > >>>> Christ did found one Church, or it isn't. > > > > > >>> Now there's a new one: the first I've heard that Jesus founded or even > > > > > >>> wanted a church. > > > > > > >> I thought he delegated the job to Peter. > > > > > > >I don't think so. I believe he did ask Peter and the others to keep on > > > > > >spreading the word, but I have seen no mention of churches, priests, > > > > > >buildings, vestments or choir boys in the New Testament. > > > > > > Try Mt 16:17-18. > > > > > The closest I see there is the word "build": > > > >  17And Jesus answering said to him, `Happy art thou, Simon Bar-Jona, > > > > because flesh and blood did not reveal [it] to thee, but my Father who > > > > is in the heavens. > > > >  18`And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I > > > > will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against > > > > it; > > > > (Young's Literal Translation) > > > > > Note that "ecclesia" is sometimes mistranslated as "church"; in > > > > reality it meant "assembly"--the most well-known "ecclesia" prior to > > > > the writing of Matthew would have been the democratic gatherings of > > > > Athens, which went under that name.  There's no reason to think that > > > > it meant anything like the organized hierarchy of the modern Church..- > > > > What the hell is "Young's Literal Translation"? Is that one of those > > > misguided efforts to render every word of the Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek the > > > same way in English every time it appears? When was it done? > > > It's a literal translation of the Bible, done in 1862.  The particular > > credentials of Young's aren't important in this case, because plenty > > of other scholarly translations (e.g the 1997 version of the American > > Standard Version, Darby's) render the passage the same way, but more > > importantly because the word in question is easily verified as > > "εκκληÏιαν" or "ecclesia" and you can easily research the history of > > that word yourself without having to rely on someone else's > > translation abilities; at the time of writing, it meant "assembly", > > and it wasn't until later that it acquired the second meaning of > > "church".- > > But rather than answer Robert's question, you chose to obfuscate by > quoting an incompetent and outmoded "literal" translation. It was a bit of a polemical post, yes, attempting to convey that the issue of translation is a significant one. My apologies for the opacity. That said, the particulars of the version are irrelevant (and modern versions like the 1997 version of the ASV use the same word)--you can find the word yourself and look at its historical meaning.
From: James Silverton on 26 Feb 2010 21:43 R wrote on 26 Feb 2010 08:26:47 -0800: > James Silverton filted: >> >> I am trying to remember when Fortran introduced arrays with >> arbitrary indexing, that is, starting at numbers other than >> 1. I have not programmed in Fortran in years and I do >> remember the change but not when it happened. > Somewhere buried in storage I have a book on Fortran that > compares seventy or eighty implementations of the language > (each time a feature is introduced, there's a table showing > whether it exists in that flavor, and exactly what the > restrictions are)...the table on subscripting gives such > varieties as: > positive integer constant > scalar integer variable (n) > integer variable plus or minus integer constant (n+i, n-i) > integer multiple of variable plus or minus constant (i*n+j, > i*n-j)arbitrary integer expressions > arbitrary expressions of any type so long as they're > convertible to integer > Most Fortrans allowed only the first four of these; the last > two were considered wild-eyed and radical...you couldn't run > backwards through an array with a loop incrementing KOUNT from > 1 to 10, subscripting the array with 11-KOUNT; things had to > be in exactly one of the approved forms...and you certainly > couldn't combine multiple variables in one, or use an element > of one array as an index in another like > VALUES(ISIZE(ITABLE(K))).... > *Defining* arrays was even more strict...either a constant or, > if the array was a subroutine parameter, a constant that was > *also* a parameter.... > A similar table gave the same levels of complexity for the > upper and lower bounds of a DO statement, and for the > increment....r I think I have found the answer. It was Fortran77 according to: http://orion.math.iastate.edu/burkardt/papers/fortran_arrays.html -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
From: David Bernier on 26 Feb 2010 22:34 DKleinecke wrote: > On Feb 26, 5:12 pm, Mensanator <mensana...(a)aol.com> wrote: >> On Feb 26, 6:08 pm, Peter Moylan <gro.nalyomp(a)retep> wrote: >>> jmfbahciv wrote: >>>> I used to solve my really pesky problems by dreaming the solution, >>>> or workaround. Sleeping is useful. >>> There once was a time when I was struggling with difficult theoretical >>> problems, and I would wake up in the middle of the night with solutions, >>> or at least with important insights. Once the morning arrived, I would >>> recall getting the insights, but couldn't remember what they were. >>> To fix the problem I put a notepad and pen beside my bed, and went to >>> bed with the firm resolve to write down any ideas I got in the night. It >>> worked: I woke up with yet another brilliant idea, and spent some time >>> writing down all the details. >> My subconscience was not, in fact, >> dreaming up useful ideas. I wasn't missing anything by not writing >> them down. > > I generally put myself to sleep by working on one or another kind of > intellectual task - writing a paper or solving a problem. I find it > very soporific. > > While I am dozing off I will jerk back from my line of thought to > something resembling a waking state and generally discover that I have > instantly forgotten the chain of thought. The relatively few times I > do remember something have convinced me I have lost nothing > worthwhile. My subconscious or whatever is guiding me deals, it seems, > entirely in nonsense. > > I dream frequently and vividly and it seems to me that I have a much > better recall of my latest dream when I awaken than I have of dozing- > off thoughts. I do not make a record of my dreams and all memory of > them quickly fades away. I've secretly been listening to a sound file containing theta wave binaural beats. According to Wikipedia, < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats > theta waves are usually associated to dreams, deep meditation and REM sleep. The theta wave binaural beats produce drowsiness in me. Source of the files: < http://www.archive.org/details/20091111BinauralBeats > .
From: Mensanator on 26 Feb 2010 23:00 On Feb 26, 9:34 pm, David Bernier <david...(a)videotron.ca> wrote: > DKleinecke wrote: > > On Feb 26, 5:12 pm, Mensanator <mensana...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> On Feb 26, 6:08 pm, Peter Moylan <gro.nalyomp(a)retep> wrote: > >>> jmfbahciv wrote: > >>>> I used to solve my really pesky problems by dreaming the solution, > >>>> or workaround. Sleeping is useful. > >>> There once was a time when I was struggling with difficult theoretical > >>> problems, and I would wake up in the middle of the night with solutions, > >>> or at least with important insights. Once the morning arrived, I would > >>> recall getting the insights, but couldn't remember what they were. > >>> To fix the problem I put a notepad and pen beside my bed, and went to > >>> bed with the firm resolve to write down any ideas I got in the night. It > >>> worked: I woke up with yet another brilliant idea, and spent some time > >>> writing down all the details. > >> My subconscience was not, in fact, > >> dreaming up useful ideas. I wasn't missing anything by not writing > >> them down. > > > I generally put myself to sleep by working on one or another kind of > > intellectual task - writing a paper or solving a problem. I find it > > very soporific. > > > While I am dozing off I will jerk back from my line of thought to > > something resembling a waking state and generally discover that I have > > instantly forgotten the chain of thought. The relatively few times I > > do remember something have convinced me I have lost nothing > > worthwhile. My subconscious or whatever is guiding me deals, it seems, > > entirely in nonsense. > > > I dream frequently and vividly and it seems to me that I have a much > > better recall of my latest dream when I awaken than I have of dozing- > > off thoughts. I do not make a record of my dreams and all memory of > > them quickly fades away. > > I've secretly been listening to a sound file containing > theta wave binaural beats. Why? Is it against the law? > > According to Wikipedia, > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats> > > theta waves are usually associated to dreams, deep meditation and REM sleep. > The theta wave binaural beats produce drowsiness in me. > > Source of the files: > <http://www.archive.org/details/20091111BinauralBeats> .
From: Peter T. Daniels on 27 Feb 2010 00:23
On Feb 26, 9:11 pm, "sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com" <sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Feb 26, 7:00 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 26, 6:45 pm, "sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com" <sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 26, 3:51 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 26, 2:30 pm, "sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com" <sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 26, 12:52 pm, mstem...(a)walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > In article <7uomssFvk...(a)mid.individual.net>, Robert Bannister <robb...(a)bigpond.com> writes: > > > > > > >tony cooper wrote: > > > > > > >> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:14:04 +0800, Robert Bannister <robb....(a)bigpond.com> wrote: > > > > > > >>> Ant nio Marques wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> It's not what you think. Either the Church's message is universal and > > > > > > >>>> Christ did found one Church, or it isn't. > > > > > > >>> Now there's a new one: the first I've heard that Jesus founded or even > > > > > > >>> wanted a church. > > > > > > > >> I thought he delegated the job to Peter. > > > > > > > >I don't think so. I believe he did ask Peter and the others to keep on > > > > > > >spreading the word, but I have seen no mention of churches, priests, > > > > > > >buildings, vestments or choir boys in the New Testament. > > > > > > > Try Mt 16:17-18. > > > > > > The closest I see there is the word "build": > > > > >  17And Jesus answering said to him, `Happy art thou, Simon Bar-Jona, > > > > > because flesh and blood did not reveal [it] to thee, but my Father who > > > > > is in the heavens. > > > > >  18`And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I > > > > > will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against > > > > > it; > > > > > (Young's Literal Translation) > > > > > > Note that "ecclesia" is sometimes mistranslated as "church"; in > > > > > reality it meant "assembly"--the most well-known "ecclesia" prior to > > > > > the writing of Matthew would have been the democratic gatherings of > > > > > Athens, which went under that name.  There's no reason to think that > > > > > it meant anything like the organized hierarchy of the modern Church.- > > > > > What the hell is "Young's Literal Translation"? Is that one of those > > > > misguided efforts to render every word of the Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek the > > > > same way in English every time it appears? When was it done? > > > > It's a literal translation of the Bible, done in 1862.  The particular > > > credentials of Young's aren't important in this case, because plenty > > > of other scholarly translations (e.g the 1997 version of the American > > > Standard Version, Darby's) render the passage the same way, but more > > > importantly because the word in question is easily verified as > > > "εκκληÏιαν" or "ecclesia" and you can easily research the history of > > > that word yourself without having to rely on someone else's > > > translation abilities; at the time of writing, it meant "assembly", > > > and it wasn't until later that it acquired the second meaning of > > > "church".- > > > But rather than answer Robert's question, you chose to obfuscate by > > quoting an incompetent and outmoded "literal" translation. > > It was a bit of a polemical post, yes, attempting to convey that the > issue of translation is a significant one.  My apologies for the > opacity. > > That said, the particulars of the version are irrelevant (and modern > versions like the 1997 version of the ASV use the same word)--you can > find the word yourself and look at its historical meaning.- "ASV"? The American Standard Version, which was a conservative reaction (ca. 1890) to the Revised Version, which was a very unfortunate English attempt (ca. 1880) to make the AV (or KJV) more "literal" in Young's sense, which managed to both take out the poetry and make the meaning harder to understand? |