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From: sjdevnull on 26 Feb 2010 14:30 On Feb 26, 12:52 pm, mstem...(a)walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote: > In article <7uomssFvk...(a)mid.individual.net>, Robert Bannister <robb...(a)bigpond.com> writes: > >tony cooper wrote: > >> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:14:04 +0800, Robert Bannister <robb...(a)bigpond.com> wrote: > >>> Ant nio Marques wrote: > > >>>> It's not what you think. Either the Church's message is universal and > >>>> Christ did found one Church, or it isn't. > >>> Now there's a new one: the first I've heard that Jesus founded or even > >>> wanted a church. > > >> I thought he delegated the job to Peter. > > >I don't think so. I believe he did ask Peter and the others to keep on > >spreading the word, but I have seen no mention of churches, priests, > >buildings, vestments or choir boys in the New Testament. > > Try Mt 16:17-18. The closest I see there is the word "build": 17And Jesus answering said to him, `Happy art thou, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal [it] to thee, but my Father who is in the heavens. 18`And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it; (Young's Literal Translation) Note that "ecclesia" is sometimes mistranslated as "church"; in reality it meant "assembly"--the most well-known "ecclesia" prior to the writing of Matthew would have been the democratic gatherings of Athens, which went under that name. There's no reason to think that it meant anything like the organized hierarchy of the modern Church.
From: Adam Funk on 26 Feb 2010 15:10 On 2010-02-24, Michael Press wrote: > In article <hlvvbr$50g$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > "PaulJK" <paul.kriha(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> I would prefer if every 24 hour day was made longer by one >> hour, i.e. 25 hours long. I know it would cause some strife >> for many people but I for one and people like me wouldn't have >> to suffer the pain of advancing my slow circadian rhythm clock >> by an hour every morning. > > There is a reason our circadian period is ~25 hour. > It is easier to reset a physical oscillator before > its natural end of cycle, than just after; much, > much easier. A free running 25 hour period allows > for enough stochastic variation to keep the period > longer than 24 hour. The earth's rotation has been slowing down faster than we've been evolving. ("Are we not men?") -- War is God's way of teaching Americans geography. [Ambrose Bierce]
From: Tak To on 26 Feb 2010 15:23 Peter Moylan wrote: > Tak To wrote: > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------+----- >> Tak To takto(a)alum.mit.eduxx >> --------------------------------------------------------------------^^ >> [taode takto ~{LU5B~}] NB: trim the xx to get my real email addr > > Perhaps you're unaware that the xx has already been trimmed in the > "From:" field of your postings. Address harvesters are much more likely > to get information from the headers than from the body of the message. I am aware that I have set up a real email address to be used for the "From" field of messages sent from this nntp-server. I did so under the false impression that this nntp-server, like so many others on the net, requires a real email address. I have just now verified that I can use a non-existent email address for this nntp-server. Thanks for reminding me. Tak -- ----------------------------------------------------------------+----- Tak To takto(a)alum.mit.eduxx --------------------------------------------------------------------^^ [taode takto ~{LU5B~}] NB: trim the xx to get my real email addr
From: Adam Funk on 26 Feb 2010 15:20 On 2010-02-26, Evan Kirshenbaum wrote: > "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <mail(a)peterduncanson.net> writes: >> Moses is well known for his presentation of ten bullet points on two >> slides reportedly engraved by The Lord. >> >> The creation of the Earth and its inhabitants involved a seven stage >> process. The scriptures do not reveal whether the Creator made a >> checklist in advance, and if so on what it was written. > > Well, all of the "And God saw that it was good"s certainly sound like > a verbose way of saying "Check." s/verbose/more dignified/ -- Mathematiker sind wie Franzosen: Was man ihnen auch sagt, übersetzen sie in ihre eigene Sprache, so daß unverzüglich etwas völlig anderes daraus wird. [Goethe]
From: Peter T. Daniels on 26 Feb 2010 15:51
On Feb 26, 2:30 pm, "sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com" <sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Feb 26, 12:52 pm, mstem...(a)walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) > wrote: > > > > > > > In article <7uomssFvk...(a)mid.individual.net>, Robert Bannister <robb...(a)bigpond.com> writes: > > >tony cooper wrote: > > >> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:14:04 +0800, Robert Bannister <robb...(a)bigpond.com> wrote: > > >>> Ant nio Marques wrote: > > > >>>> It's not what you think. Either the Church's message is universal and > > >>>> Christ did found one Church, or it isn't. > > >>> Now there's a new one: the first I've heard that Jesus founded or even > > >>> wanted a church. > > > >> I thought he delegated the job to Peter. > > > >I don't think so. I believe he did ask Peter and the others to keep on > > >spreading the word, but I have seen no mention of churches, priests, > > >buildings, vestments or choir boys in the New Testament. > > > Try Mt 16:17-18. > > The closest I see there is the word "build": > 17And Jesus answering said to him, `Happy art thou, Simon Bar-Jona, > because flesh and blood did not reveal [it] to thee, but my Father who > is in the heavens. > 18`And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I > will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against > it; > (Young's Literal Translation) > > Note that "ecclesia" is sometimes mistranslated as "church"; in > reality it meant "assembly"--the most well-known "ecclesia" prior to > the writing of Matthew would have been the democratic gatherings of > Athens, which went under that name. There's no reason to think that > it meant anything like the organized hierarchy of the modern Church.- What the hell is "Young's Literal Translation"? Is that one of those misguided efforts to render every word of the Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek the same way in English every time it appears? When was it done? |