From: Hatunen on
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 06:15:20 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim(a)verizon.net> wrote:

>On Feb 28, 2:57�am, "sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com" <sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 27, 3:48�pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> > On Feb 27, 1:40�pm, "sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com" <sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Feb 27, 9:57�am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
>> > > > On Feb 27, 2:29�am, "sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com" <sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > On Feb 27, 12:20�am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
>> > > > > > On Feb 26, 9:04�pm, "sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com" <sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > At that point you claimed they are "by definition, not Christians".
>>
>> > > > > > Sigh. The essence of Christian dogma is encapsulated in the Nicene
>> > > > > > Creed.
>>
>> > > > > That is a different statement than the original, and would appear to
>>
>> > > > It may be a different "statement," but it conveys the obvious intent
>> > > > of the original statement.
>>
>> > > No, it conveys a different intent, which is obvious if you reread your
>> > > original question: "Doesn't _every_ extant Christian church use the
>> > > Nicene Creed? (With or without the _filioque_.)" �That's clearly
>>
>> > Since it's my question, I think I am entitled to state what its intent
>> > was.
>>
>> Whatever you might have meant, your words didn't convey it. �With an
>> ambiguous statement, it's certainly reasonable to admit that you were
>> wrong and revise your statement--I've certainly made ill-formed
>> statements in this thread and others, and altered them.
>>
>> In this case, though, it's pretty obvious from the wording what you
>> meant by the original question, and if you're now asserting that you
>> didn't mean to ask whether all Christians actually use some real
>> wording of the Nicene Creed then I absolutely believe you're lying. �I
>> have no further interest in continuing this thread if you're going to
>> insist otherwise (and several other people in this thread also took
>> your words to mean what they meant to me, so I don't feel that's an
>> idiosyncrasy of mine).
>
>See recent posting on mathematicians' restrictive interpretation of
>unexpressed quantifiers in English.
>
>> > (I gather, from the sources you cite, that you are some sort of
>> > conservative Catholic, the type that in Chicago flocked to the one
>> > parish in the city that had dispensation �from Rome to say Mass in
>> > Latin, so I wouldn't be surprised if you don't know anything about
>> > such questions.)
>>
>> Have fun with that (Fwiw, I'm a liberal atheist).-
>
>Then why on earth are you not familiar with recent (i.e., less than a
>century and a half old) scholarship on topics on which you pontificate?

Do you mean he's acting like the Pontiff or that he's bui

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From: Evan Kirshenbaum on
Peter Moylan <gro.nalyomp(a)retep> writes:

> Admittedly the common "off by one" errors are often caused by
> zero-based subscripting. With most programming languages, though,
> such an error will make itself evident the first time you run the
> program, when you run off the end of the array; and the exception
> information will quickly lead you to the cause of the crash. It's
> safe to declare subscript ranges in any way that is natural to the
> application, as long as the generated code includes range
> checks. The main thing that makes C so unsuitable for real-world
> applications is the paucity of run-time checks.

The existence of which, of course, along with the concommitant
overhead, being one of the main reasons that other languages were
considered unsuitable for real-world applications.

Fast, safe, and easy to write a compiler for. Pick two.

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From: Hatunen on
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:09:57 -0800, David Harmon
<source(a)netcom.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:56:25 -0500 in alt.usage.english, tony cooper
><tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote,
>>As far as I can tell, the only employers that are closed on
>>President's Day are government offices, schools, and banks. To the
>
>There is no such holiday as "President's Day" to US government offices.
>http://www.opm.gov/Operating_Status_Schedules/fedhol/2010.asp

Interesting. I had assumed there was. And I see that there is one
in some states. Certainly businesses think there is one in their
sales advertisements.

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From: Brian M. Scott on
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:39:57 +1300, PaulJK
<paul.kriha(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in
<news:hmda2a$uic$1(a)news.eternal-september.org> in
sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english:

[...]

> Objects with negative weight do not need escape velocity
> to escape to space. They can ascend slowly with
> impressive majestic grace.

Shopping baskets have a hard time achieving impressive
majestic grace, even when filled with negative watermelons.

Brian
From: Peter T. Daniels on
On Feb 28, 5:22 pm, Hatunen <hatu...(a)cox.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 06:57:41 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
>
> <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> >There's no such thing as "a Catechism." When I was little, the few
> >Catholics I knew had to memorize something called "the Baltimore
> >Catechism," which had no parallel whatsoever in either my Presbyterian
> >church or my Episcopal school.
>
> The term may not have been explicitly used, but seehttp://www.pcusa.org/catech/studycat.htmandhttp://anglicansonline.org/basics/catechism.html
>
> >The Baltimore Catechism, however, was
> >rendered obsolete by Vatican II. I don't know what "a Catechism" would
> >be, fifty years later.
>
> Hm. See  http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm

So can you find someplace in that document where the text of the
Apostles' Creed is given?

> Google reveals many, many more pointers to - catholic catechism -

And would one of them be the "a Catechism" our conservative Catholic
atheist referred to?