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From: António Marques on 23 Feb 2010 13:19 Yusuf B Gursey wrote (23-02-2010 17:52): > On Feb 23, 6:39 am, Adam Funk<a24...(a)ducksburg.com> wrote: >> On 2010-02-23, Andrew Usher wrote: >> >>>>> The Catholic Church has stated, I believe more than once (it's linked >>>>> to somewhere in this thread) that fixing Easter to a particular week >>>>> would be acceptable. >> >> ("Catholic" is a commonly used but imprecise abbreviation of "Roman >> Catholic".) >> >>> Peter T. Daniels wrote: >>>> "The Catholic Church" (which refers to no specific organization) >>>> hasn't spoken for all of Christendom for nearly half a millennium. >> >>> 'The Catholic Church' or simply 'The Church' refers to exactly one >>> organisation. It's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. Also, it's been >>> longer than half a millennium if one includes the East. >> >> The "Roman Catholic Church", the "Old Catholic Church", and the >> "Polish National Catholic Church" are independent of each other. >> >> The "Eastern Catholic Churches" are under papal authority but I don't >> think they describe themselves as "Roman Catholic". > > AFAIK that's correct. the Arabic name for the *Roman* Catholic Church > literally translates as "the Latin Catholic". "Rumi" Catholics are > Greek (or Byzantine) Catholics (under papla authority but using the > Greek rite). *How* is it correct? *How* does arabic 'roman catholic' for the eastern catholics vs 'latin catholic' for the western catholics support Adam's impression? > Latin rite Catholics are a very small minority in the > Middle East, though I knew a Palestinian whose father had a high rank > in Jerusalem (I think they are mostly centered about there, though > found elsewhere in diaspora) What I wonder is - are there 'old' latin-rite communities there alongside 'modern' ones (western migrants), or do they all mingle? It would be a tiny-minority within a tiny minority.
From: Yusuf B Gursey on 23 Feb 2010 13:39 On Feb 23, 1:19 pm, António Marques <antonio...(a)sapo.pt> wrote: > Yusuf B Gursey wrote (23-02-2010 17:52): > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 6:39 am, Adam Funk<a24...(a)ducksburg.com> wrote: > >> On 2010-02-23, Andrew Usher wrote: > > >>>>> The Catholic Church has stated, I believe more than once (it's linked > >>>>> to somewhere in this thread) that fixing Easter to a particular week > >>>>> would be acceptable. > > >> ("Catholic" is a commonly used but imprecise abbreviation of "Roman > >> Catholic".) > > >>> Peter T. Daniels wrote: > >>>> "The Catholic Church" (which refers to no specific organization) > >>>> hasn't spoken for all of Christendom for nearly half a millennium. > > >>> 'The Catholic Church' or simply 'The Church' refers to exactly one > >>> organisation. It's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. Also, it's been > >>> longer than half a millennium if one includes the East. > > >> The "Roman Catholic Church", the "Old Catholic Church", and the > >> "Polish National Catholic Church" are independent of each other. > > >> The "Eastern Catholic Churches" are under papal authority but I don't > >> think they describe themselves as "Roman Catholic". > > > AFAIK that's correct. the Arabic name for the *Roman* Catholic Church > > literally translates as "the Latin Catholic". "Rumi" Catholics are > > Greek (or Byzantine) Catholics (under papla authority but using the > > Greek rite). > > *How* is it correct? *How* does arabic 'roman catholic' for the eastern > catholics vs 'latin catholic' for the western catholics support Adam's > impression? > > > Latin rite Catholics are a very small minority in the > > Middle East, though I knew a Palestinian whose father had a high rank > > in Jerusalem (I think they are mostly centered about there, though > > found elsewhere in diaspora) > > What I wonder is - are there 'old' latin-rite communities there alongside > 'modern' ones (western migrants), or do they all mingle? It would be a > tiny-minority within a tiny minority. well, I assume they would go to the same churches. in the main holy places Latin is used when Catholics have their turn.
From: Evan Kirshenbaum on 23 Feb 2010 13:39 António Marques <antonioprm(a)sapo.pt> writes: > jmfbahciv wrote (23-02-2010 12:28): >> Andrew Usher wrote: >>> Well, I'm astounded. Indexing from 0 is so obviously the Right Way >>> that I can't imagine why anyone would do it the other way. >>> >> You always count items starting with 0? > > It's a matter of stupid perspective. Since the array's position is the > 'first', the 'first' element's position is the array's ('first') plus > 0. First plus 0 = first! Why would you assume that the position of the first element is necessarily identical to the position of the array? -- Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |If a bus station is where a bus 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |stops, and a train station is where Palo Alto, CA 94304 |a train stops, what does that say |about a workstation? kirshenbaum(a)hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/
From: Skitt on 23 Feb 2010 13:41 PaulJK wrote: > We invented DST to set clocks back one hour in summer forward > because in summer it's bright earlier. > In summer kids go to school an hour earlier but in winter > they go to school at the time they always used to go. -- Skitt (AmE)
From: Brian M. Scott on 23 Feb 2010 13:48
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:39:35 +0000, Ant�nio Marques <antonioprm(a)sapo.pt> wrote in <news:hm13st$kct$1(a)news.eternal-september.org> in sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english: > Brian M. Scott wrote (23-02-2010 16:56): >> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:16:59 +0000, Ant�nio Marques >> <antonioprm(a)sapo.pt> wrote in >> <news:hm0kgg$548$1(a)news.eternal-september.org> in >> sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english: >>> Adam Funk wrote (23-02-2010 11:39): >>>> On 2010-02-23, Andrew Usher wrote: >>>>>>> The Catholic Church has stated, I believe more than >>>>>>> once (it's linked to somewhere in this thread) that >>>>>>> fixing Easter to a particular week would be >>>>>>> acceptable. >>>> ("Catholic" is a commonly used but imprecise abbreviation >>>> of "Roman Catholic".) >>>>> Peter T. Daniels wrote: >>>>>> "The Catholic Church" (which refers to no specific >>>>>> organization) hasn't spoken for all of Christendom for >>>>>> nearly half a millennium. >>>>> 'The Catholic Church' or simply 'The Church' refers to >>>>> exactly one organisation. It's disingenuous to pretend >>>>> otherwise. Also, it's been longer than half a >>>>> millennium if one includes the East. >>>> The "Roman Catholic Church", the "Old Catholic Church", >>>> and the "Polish National Catholic Church" are >>>> independent of each other. >>>> The "Eastern Catholic Churches" are under papal authority >>>> but I don't think they describe themselves as "Roman >>>> Catholic". >>> Gad, not again! You're trolling, aren't you? >>> "Roman Catholic" ISN'T AN OFFICIAL SELF-DESIGNATION. >>> ANYWHERE. >> It and RC are, however, widely used popular designations. > Indeed, but what relevance does that have when trying to > ascertain what the precise terminology is? It's not apparent that any particular notion of precise terminology is relevant to Peter's deliberate misunderstanding and the subsequent comments thereon. >>> In the tradition from which the Roman and the Greek >>> Churches come, the Church has no splitting qualifiers. >> But this isn't really relevant outside that tradition. > But what is the relevance of the outside of that tradition > to what the ECC think of themselves? You seem to be involved in a different discussion. >>> From the Church's point of view, there aren't multiple >>> churches. >> But from an external point of view there very obviously are. > It depends, but what is the relevance of any external > point of view to the internal point of view which is > being discussed? You may be discussing an internal point of view; I am not, and it's not clear to me that others are doing so, either. [...] >>> but it *is* accurate to say that the ECC are 'non-Latin >>> CC', even if it's somewhat unwieldy. >> Which in a widely used popular terminology becomes 'Catholic >> but not Roman Catholic'. > In widely used popular terminologies spiders are insects, > Cycadaceae are palms and the moon is made of mozzarella. Not comparable. 'Catholic but not Roman Catholic' actually does identify the churches in question. [...] Brian |