From: Brian M. Scott on
António Marques wrote:

> Adam Funk wrote (23-02-2010 20:02):

>> On 2010-02-23, António Marques wrote:

[...]

>>> From the Church's point of view, there aren't
>>> multiple churches. There's only one. To say that
>>> there is more than one church is heresy. It's not a
>>> matter of wishing to be the only one, it's a
>>> religious matter. The multiplicity of churches is
>>> anathema and downright sin.

>> Well, they would say that, wouldn't they...

> It's not what you think. Either the Church's message is
> universal and Christ did found one Church, or it isn't.

It's by no means clear that the historical figure actually
founded *any* church, but even supposing that he did,
there's no reason to think that its message is universal.

> To endorse the idea of multiple churches is like
> endorsing the idea of apartheid.

Hardly; it's more a matter of 'whatever floats your boat'.

[...]

Brian
From: Andrew Usher on
Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> > The word 'Christendom', which you used, would normally be taken to
> > include the Eastern Orthodox. One wonders why you wouldn't.
>
> They are among the many churches for which the Roman Catholic Church
> (which may have been what you meant by "the Catholic Church"?) does
> not speak.

Non sequitur.

> > > Are you by any chance one of those crackpots who want the Mass
> > > peformed in Latin, who think Jesus decreed that clergy be celibate,
> > > and the congeries of heterodox beliefs that go along with those two?
> >
> > I don't believe in Jesus. But if I did, I might well be one of those,
> > as religion if it were true could not be suffered to modernise in the
> > way you leftists want.
>
> If you're not even a Christian, why the hell are you structuring your
> calendar around the Roman Catholic church?

1. There's no other equally universal set of reference points.
2. Why does what I personally believe have to do with what's the best
calendar?

Andrew Usher
From: Andrew Usher on
j...(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

> >> I suspect that you could find people celebrating Pesach, Purim, Rosh
> >> Hashanah, and Yom Kippur in as many countries as any four Christian
> >> holidays.
> >
> > Well, yes, but not _more people_.
> >
> > Andrew Usher
>
> With roughly 1.3 billion Chinese alone, New Years is celebrated by a LOT
> more people.

New Year is not among the holidays Kirshenbaum mentioned. I exclude it
from my consideration as by its nature it can't be fixed to a
particular day of the week.

Andrew Usher
From: Andrew Usher on
Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:

> >> I suspect that you could find people celebrating Pesach, Purim, Rosh
> >> Hashanah, and Yom Kippur in as many countries as any four Christian
> >> holidays.
> >
> > Well, yes, but not _more people_.
>
> Is that how you construe "more international"? By that measure,
> Gandhi's birthday or the PRC's National Day are far more international
> than any of the Jewish holidays (and, probably, many of the Christian
> ones), even though they're celebrated in far few countries.

I think you know what I mean. A national holiday can't be
international no matter how many people there are observing it.

Andrew Usher
From: Robert Bannister on
Andrew Usher wrote:
> Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:
>
>>> mine, yours, his, hers, its,ours, theirs.
>>>
>>> Not one possessive pronoun has an apostrophe.
>> One should be sure of one's facts before making such assertions. (Or
>> should that be "ones"?)
>
> 'One' is not, grammatically, a pronoun. It is a nominalised adjective
> (the number one) that is used in place of a pronoun.
>
> Andrew Usher

Are you positive it isn't related to French "on" (as opposed to French
"un")?

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Rob Bannister