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From: Brian M. Scott on 23 Feb 2010 19:19 António Marques wrote: > Adam Funk wrote (23-02-2010 20:02): >> On 2010-02-23, António Marques wrote: [...] >>> From the Church's point of view, there aren't >>> multiple churches. There's only one. To say that >>> there is more than one church is heresy. It's not a >>> matter of wishing to be the only one, it's a >>> religious matter. The multiplicity of churches is >>> anathema and downright sin. >> Well, they would say that, wouldn't they... > It's not what you think. Either the Church's message is > universal and Christ did found one Church, or it isn't. It's by no means clear that the historical figure actually founded *any* church, but even supposing that he did, there's no reason to think that its message is universal. > To endorse the idea of multiple churches is like > endorsing the idea of apartheid. Hardly; it's more a matter of 'whatever floats your boat'. [...] Brian
From: Andrew Usher on 23 Feb 2010 19:21 Peter T. Daniels wrote: > > The word 'Christendom', which you used, would normally be taken to > > include the Eastern Orthodox. One wonders why you wouldn't. > > They are among the many churches for which the Roman Catholic Church > (which may have been what you meant by "the Catholic Church"?) does > not speak. Non sequitur. > > > Are you by any chance one of those crackpots who want the Mass > > > peformed in Latin, who think Jesus decreed that clergy be celibate, > > > and the congeries of heterodox beliefs that go along with those two? > > > > I don't believe in Jesus. But if I did, I might well be one of those, > > as religion if it were true could not be suffered to modernise in the > > way you leftists want. > > If you're not even a Christian, why the hell are you structuring your > calendar around the Roman Catholic church? 1. There's no other equally universal set of reference points. 2. Why does what I personally believe have to do with what's the best calendar? Andrew Usher
From: Andrew Usher on 23 Feb 2010 19:35 j...(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> I suspect that you could find people celebrating Pesach, Purim, Rosh > >> Hashanah, and Yom Kippur in as many countries as any four Christian > >> holidays. > > > > Well, yes, but not _more people_. > > > > Andrew Usher > > With roughly 1.3 billion Chinese alone, New Years is celebrated by a LOT > more people. New Year is not among the holidays Kirshenbaum mentioned. I exclude it from my consideration as by its nature it can't be fixed to a particular day of the week. Andrew Usher
From: Andrew Usher on 23 Feb 2010 19:37 Evan Kirshenbaum wrote: > >> I suspect that you could find people celebrating Pesach, Purim, Rosh > >> Hashanah, and Yom Kippur in as many countries as any four Christian > >> holidays. > > > > Well, yes, but not _more people_. > > Is that how you construe "more international"? By that measure, > Gandhi's birthday or the PRC's National Day are far more international > than any of the Jewish holidays (and, probably, many of the Christian > ones), even though they're celebrated in far few countries. I think you know what I mean. A national holiday can't be international no matter how many people there are observing it. Andrew Usher
From: Robert Bannister on 23 Feb 2010 19:47
Andrew Usher wrote: > Evan Kirshenbaum wrote: > >>> mine, yours, his, hers, its,ours, theirs. >>> >>> Not one possessive pronoun has an apostrophe. >> One should be sure of one's facts before making such assertions. (Or >> should that be "ones"?) > > 'One' is not, grammatically, a pronoun. It is a nominalised adjective > (the number one) that is used in place of a pronoun. > > Andrew Usher Are you positive it isn't related to French "on" (as opposed to French "un")? -- Rob Bannister |