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From: Brian M. Scott on 23 Feb 2010 13:50 On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:41:20 -0800, Skitt <skitt99(a)comcast.net> wrote in <news:hm17gp$89l$1(a)news.albasani.net> in sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english: > PaulJK wrote: >> We invented DST to set clocks back one hour in summer > forward That's the usual terminology, at least in the U.S., but it does depends on one's point of view. [...] Brian
From: Yusuf B Gursey on 23 Feb 2010 13:51 On Feb 23, 1:39 pm, Yusuf B Gursey <y...(a)theworld.com> wrote: > On Feb 23, 1:19 pm, António Marques <antonio...(a)sapo.pt> wrote: > > > > > > > Yusuf B Gursey wrote (23-02-2010 17:52): > > > > On Feb 23, 6:39 am, Adam Funk<a24...(a)ducksburg.com> wrote: > > >> On 2010-02-23, Andrew Usher wrote: > > > >>>>> The Catholic Church has stated, I believe more than once (it's linked > > >>>>> to somewhere in this thread) that fixing Easter to a particular week > > >>>>> would be acceptable. > > > >> ("Catholic" is a commonly used but imprecise abbreviation of "Roman > > >> Catholic".) > > > >>> Peter T. Daniels wrote: > > >>>> "The Catholic Church" (which refers to no specific organization) > > >>>> hasn't spoken for all of Christendom for nearly half a millennium. > > > >>> 'The Catholic Church' or simply 'The Church' refers to exactly one > > >>> organisation. It's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. Also, it's been > > >>> longer than half a millennium if one includes the East. > > > >> The "Roman Catholic Church", the "Old Catholic Church", and the > > >> "Polish National Catholic Church" are independent of each other. > > > >> The "Eastern Catholic Churches" are under papal authority but I don't > > >> think they describe themselves as "Roman Catholic". > > > > AFAIK that's correct. the Arabic name for the *Roman* Catholic Church > > > literally translates as "the Latin Catholic". "Rumi" Catholics are > > > Greek (or Byzantine) Catholics (under papla authority but using the > > > Greek rite). > > > *How* is it correct? *How* does arabic 'roman catholic' for the eastern > > catholics vs 'latin catholic' for the western catholics support Adam's > > impression? > > > > Latin rite Catholics are a very small minority in the > > > Middle East, though I knew a Palestinian whose father had a high rank > > > in Jerusalem (I think they are mostly centered about there, though > > > found elsewhere in diaspora) > > > What I wonder is - are there 'old' latin-rite communities there alongside > > 'modern' ones (western migrants), or do they all mingle? It would be a > > tiny-minority within a tiny minority. > > well, I assume they would go to the same churches. in the main holy > places Latin is used when Catholics have their turn. and all of the Catholics are partial to the French-run schools.
From: Trond Engen on 23 Feb 2010 13:56 Brian M. Scott skrev: > On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:41:20 -0800, Skitt > <skitt99(a)comcast.net> wrote in > <news:hm17gp$89l$1(a)news.albasani.net> in > sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english: > >> PaulJK wrote: >> >>> We invented DST to set clocks back one hour in summer >> >> forward > > That's the usual terminology, at least in the U.S., but it > does depends on one's point of view. And everything is the other way around in New Zealand. -- Trond Engen
From: Skitt on 23 Feb 2010 13:57 Brian M. Scott wrote: > Skitt wrote: >> PaulJK wrote: >>> We invented DST to set clocks back one hour in summer > >> forward > > That's the usual terminology, at least in the U.S., but it > does depends on one's point of view. Deciding whether a clock runs forward or backward, you mean? -- Skitt (AmE)
From: António Marques on 23 Feb 2010 14:02
Brian M. Scott wrote (23-02-2010 18:48): > On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:39:35 +0000, António Marques > <antonioprm(a)sapo.pt> wrote in > <news:hm13st$kct$1(a)news.eternal-september.org> in > sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english: > >> Brian M. Scott wrote (23-02-2010 16:56): > >>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:16:59 +0000, António Marques >>> <antonioprm(a)sapo.pt> wrote in >>> <news:hm0kgg$548$1(a)news.eternal-september.org> in >>> sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english: > >>>> Adam Funk wrote (23-02-2010 11:39): > >>>>> On 2010-02-23, Andrew Usher wrote: > >>>>>>>> The Catholic Church has stated, I believe more than >>>>>>>> once (it's linked to somewhere in this thread) that >>>>>>>> fixing Easter to a particular week would be >>>>>>>> acceptable. > >>>>> ("Catholic" is a commonly used but imprecise abbreviation >>>>> of "Roman Catholic".) > >>>>>> Peter T. Daniels wrote: > >>>>>>> "The Catholic Church" (which refers to no specific >>>>>>> organization) hasn't spoken for all of Christendom for >>>>>>> nearly half a millennium. > >>>>>> 'The Catholic Church' or simply 'The Church' refers to >>>>>> exactly one organisation. It's disingenuous to pretend >>>>>> otherwise. Also, it's been longer than half a >>>>>> millennium if one includes the East. > >>>>> The "Roman Catholic Church", the "Old Catholic Church", >>>>> and the "Polish National Catholic Church" are >>>>> independent of each other. > >>>>> The "Eastern Catholic Churches" are under papal authority >>>>> but I don't think they describe themselves as "Roman >>>>> Catholic". > >>>> Gad, not again! You're trolling, aren't you? > >>>> "Roman Catholic" ISN'T AN OFFICIAL SELF-DESIGNATION. >>>> ANYWHERE. > >>> It and RC are, however, widely used popular designations. > >> Indeed, but what relevance does that have when trying to >> ascertain what the precise terminology is? > > It's not apparent that any particular notion of precise > terminology is relevant to Peter's deliberate > misunderstanding and the subsequent comments thereon. I was, however, merely addressing Adam's remark below which I commented. It referred to how the ECC describe themselves. Had it referred to how some or many may describe the ECC, I probably wouldn't have commented at all. > [...] > >>>> but it *is* accurate to say that the ECC are 'non-Latin >>>> CC', even if it's somewhat unwieldy. > >>> Which in a widely used popular terminology becomes 'Catholic >>> but not Roman Catholic'. > >> In widely used popular terminologies spiders are insects, >> Cycadaceae are palms and the moon is made of mozzarella. > > Not comparable. 'Catholic but not Roman Catholic' actually > does identify the churches in question. I disagree. If anything, 'Catholic but not Roman Catholic' might more easily refer to the old catholics or polish national catholics. 'Insect' at least refers to a trait that spiders share. |