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From: Hatunen on 24 Feb 2010 15:11 On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:57:57 -0800 (PST), Andrew Usher <k_over_hbarc(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >Jerry Friedman wrote: > >> I just dropped by rasfw, where people had discussed a different >> proposal: >> >> http://individual.utoronto.ca/kalendis/symmetry.htm > >I would object to this because of the huge variation in month lengths. >This is not only against the original purpose of months, but against >the modern use of them as financial periods. How about the French revolution calendar? Per wikipedia: Calendar design Years appear in writing as Roman numerals (usually), with epoch 22 September 1792, the beginning of the 'Republican Era' (the day the French First Republic was proclaimed, one day after the Convention abolished the monarchy). As a result, Roman Numeral I indicates the first year of the republic, that is, the year before the calendar actually came into use. The first day of each year was that of the autumnal equinox. There were twelve months, each divided into three ten-day weeks called d�cades. The tenth day, d�cadi, replaced Sunday as the day of rest and festivity. The five or six extra days needed to approximate the solar or tropical year were placed after the months at the end of each year. A period of four years ending on a leap day was to be called a "Franciade." The name "Olympique" was originally proposed[4] but changed to Franciade to commemorate the fact that it had taken the revolution four years to establish a republican government in France.[5] The leap year was called Sextile, an allusion to the "bissextile" leap years of the Julian and Gregorian calendars, because it contained a sixth complementary day. Decimal time Each day in the Republican Calendar was divided into ten hours, each hour into 100 decimal minutes, and each decimal minute into 100 decimal seconds. Thus an hour was 144 conventional minutes (more than twice as long as a conventional hour), a minute was 86.4 conventional seconds (slightly longer than a conventional minute), and a second was 0.864 conventional seconds (slightly shorter than a conventional second). Clocks were manufactured to display this decimal time, but it did not catch on. Mandatory use of decimal time was officially suspended 7 April 1795, although some cities continued to use decimal time as late as 1801.[6] -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
From: Adam Funk on 24 Feb 2010 15:13 On 2010-02-23, António Marques wrote: > Adam Funk wrote (23-02-2010 20:02): >> On 2010-02-23, António Marques wrote: >> >>> "Roman Catholic" ISN'T AN OFFICIAL SELF-DESIGNATION. ANYWHERE. >> >> Are you going to write to all the churches in the UK with "St ____'s >> Roman Catholic Church" or "St ____'s R. C. Church" on their signs, >> newsletters, websites, etc., to tell them that they are wrong? (I >> think this is common in much of the USA too.) > > I doubt that that's their legal name where they have one. Evan has produced some documentation for this, but in fairness I think I should point out that I was only talking about the situation in some English-speaking countries. I know that in France and Italy RC churches just have "Église St Pierre" (for example) on the sign, whereas others specify their denomination; I assume this is also the case in other countries where the RCC predominates (such as Portugal, I presume). -- Their tags shall blink until the end of days. BoM 12:10
From: Adam Funk on 24 Feb 2010 15:11 On 2010-02-24, Peter T. Daniels wrote: > On Feb 24, 6:40 am, Cheryl <cperk...(a)mun.ca> wrote: >> I think that's probably the key - the size and/or homogeneity of the >> location. I associate signs saying "St. So-and-So's Roman Catholic >> Church" with Toronto, which is a big enough and heterogeneous enough >> that it's a pretty good bet a good proportion of the population doesn't >> know which church is which. On the other hand, even in quite small >> towns, I've seen signs like "TownName United Church" or "St. So-and-So's >> Anglican Church", so that can't be the entire explanation. > > Do these "small towns" even _have_ a popish parish? "Popish"? Are you kidding? > "United" means exactly that -- it's not a denomination, but a bunch of > congregations that got together in order to survive at all despite the > organization of their individual hierarchies. Baptists and > Presbyterians are probably the easiest to assimilate to each other (no > clerical hierarchy), Don't US Presbyterians practise infant baptism? I would expect that to be a serious problem for Baptists. -- When Elaine turned 11, her mother sent her to train under Donald Knuth in his mountain hideaway. [XKCD 342]
From: Hatunen on 24 Feb 2010 15:20 On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:47:54 -0800 (PST), Andrew Usher <k_over_hbarc(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >Peter T. Daniels wrote: >> It is Usher who said "'The Church' refers to exactly one >> organisation" (complete with the quaint British spelling). > >You have provided no evidence to refute that people in general context >understand the phrase to particularly refer to that church headed by >the Pope. It seems to me that "the church" refers to whatever church the speaker belongs to. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
From: Hatunen on 24 Feb 2010 15:22
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:15:35 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim(a)verizon.net> wrote: >On Feb 23, 8:07�pm, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> Indeed, indexing is not the same thing as counting. If I were creating >> a non-computer _indexing_ system, I would start from 0 as well. > >What would you be indexing? Books, for instance, don't have a p. 0. That comes down to the question of whether the cardinal numbers include zero. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |