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From: sjdevnull on 24 Feb 2010 15:27

On Feb 24, 2:08 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> On Feb 23, 7:07 pm, António Marques <antonio...(a)sapo.pt> wrote:
>
>
>
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> > Hatunen wrote (23-02-2010 22:47):
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> > > I believe that a great many of the churches which once split away
> > > from the church of Rome considered themselves the true catholic
> > > chuch.
>
> > > Certainly the Anglicans do. The Anglican covenant says,
>
> > > "(1.1.1) its communion in the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic
> > > Church, worshipping the one true God, Father, Son, and Holy
> > > Spirit."
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> > Of course they do. But when it comes to self-identify, only one church on
> > this planet consistenty refers to itself simply as 'the Catholic Church' (it
> > also uses other names, namely 'the Church', and where pragmatism requires
> > 'the Roman Catholic Church' - but the 'Roman' adds nothing, unlike 'Old' or
> > 'Polish National' - the RC doesn't see any added value in Roman, it doesn't
> > contribute to the meaning with anything that wasn't there before).
>
> > Besides, until recently, no other church lived for a universal ('catholic')
> > vocation. Sure, many of them did have one, but not as a central structuring
> > element. Notice the RC was never 'the Italian Church' even when popes were
> > italian for centuries long.
>
> Doesn't _every_ extant Christian church use the Nicene Creed? (With or
> without the _filioque_.)

Not at all. The Nicene creed was explicitly designed to advocate a
Trinitarian position and to brand non-Trinitarian sects (the Arians in
particular) as heretics. It quite intentionally defines one subset of
Christianity (and not every Trinitarian sect uses the Nicene Creed--
Quakers, for instance, explicitly reject using any creed).

Some examples of modern-day non-Trinitarians, who would reject the key
Nicene doctrinal tenets:

USA: The Adventists (not just Jehovah's Witnesses and 7th Day, but
also Christadelphians, Church of God, etc) and the Oneness
Pentecostals
China: True Jesus Church and many others (pretty much every Chinese
protestant sect doesn't use the Nicene creed)
Africa: Apostolic Church of Ethiopia
Ireland: Christian Conventions
Russia: Doukhobors, Molokans
Switzerland, Italy, Germany and surrounding areas: the Friends of Man
Sweden: Swedenborgians
North and South America: Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ
Jesus
Phillipines: Iglesia ni Cristo

There are plenty of others, too.

Some of those have only a few tens of thousands of members (Molokans);
others, like the AAFCJ, True Jesus Church, Iglesia ni Cristo, and
Apostolic Church of Ethiopia have a million members or more.

Many famous devout Christians (e.g. Isaac Newton, John Locke) drew
from Arian-inspired faiths such as the Polish Brethren and would
certainly not believe in the Nicene Creed.

From: Yusuf B Gursey on 24 Feb 2010 15:28

From: Adam Funk on 24 Feb 2010 15:27

On 2010-02-24, Cheryl wrote:

> Ummm - in Canada, 'United Church' is a separate denomination, founded by
> Methodists, Presbyterians, and two other groups I tend to forget.
>
> http://www.united-church.ca/
>
> Congregationalists. I thought there was a fourth (Church of Christ), but
> apparently not. Some Presbyterians remained independent - there are two
> Presbyterian churches in my city - but the United Church must be the
> largest and most mainstream of the Protestant churches in Canada.

I remember reading about this in one of Robertson Davies's novels.

--
I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway;
Whatever it is, I'm against it! [Prof. Wagstaff]

From: Brian M. Scott on 24 Feb 2010 15:43

Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Feb 24, 10:04 am, Evan Kirshenbaum
> <kirshenb...(a)hpl.hp.com> wrote:

[...]

>> What's "reportage" is the "I've heard it commented".
>> If Dave, living in Arizona, has heard it told about
>> Indians, then that's the tale he's reporting having
>> heard. And the choice of ethnicity is an interesting
>> part of the tale, giving insight into the attitudes of
>> those who tell it (as distinct from those who merely
>> report having heard it).

> So ... that Dave has a prejudice concerning American
> Indians is something he thought we all should know?

No. It's an asinine unjustified inference on your part.

Brian

From: Hatunen on 24 Feb 2010 15:45

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:33:06 +0800, Robert Bannister
<robban1(a)bigpond.com> wrote:

>It depends where you live and what time school starts and finishes in
>your area. To get to school by 8 or 8:15 am, some country kids need to
>be on the school bus by 7. Now, when daylight saving was first
>introduced, it only covered the summer months, but then they had to
>tamper with it, so that by the end of the period now, 7 am is before
>sunrise.

I first moved to Arizona in the summer of 1966, which was just
after Congress standardized daylight time. The act required that
a state wanting to opt out of daylight time had to pass a law to
that effect, and the Arizona legislature (just as klutzy then as
now) failed to do so. So we had daylight time. One thing
Arizonans don't need is another hour of sunlight in the evening;
when the sun goes down you can actually feel the cool coming on.

The drive-in movies didn't start until nine and meahwhile you had
to sit in your car in the heat waiting for sundown. In September
the kids went to school in the dark; the paper had a photo of a
bunch of students waiting for their school bus near a fire,
built, it said, to ward off coyotes.

Nobody liked daylight time and the legislature got off its
collective butt and passed the law. Arizona has been without
daylight time ever since (save for the Navajo Nation, which adds
its own confusion since the enclaved Hopi Nation stays on
standard time).

Prior to national daylight time standardization daylight time was
adopted by local jurisdictions, sometimes by whole states,
sometimes by individual cities. When I was a young man Ohio had
no state daylight time, and local jurisdictions did it. My
hometown of Warren OH adopted daylight time, but it did not apply
to the rest of the county (which did not have the authority to
adopt such a law). Almost everyone in the county used daylight
time since Warren was the county seat and business center. The
one group of businesses that didn't use daylight time were the
bars in the county. By remaining on standard time they were able
to stay open until 2:30 AM EST, legal closing time; but on the
daylight time we were all functioning on that was 3:30 AM.

Unfortunately, each jurisdiction was free to choose the start and
end dates for their daylight time. When I was in school in Troy
NY in the 1950s my roommate arranged dates for us at Green
Mountain College in Poultney Vermont. We had to make a stop at
his home in Williamstown MA before proceeding into Vermont. Now
Williamstown MA is only about forty miles east of Troy NY and
only about thirty miles south of Poultney VT, but each state had
different daylight time start dates, and this was during that
time of year. We managed to get totally confused about what time
it was where, and by the time we arrived at Green Mountain
College our dates had gone on without us. (We did manage to find
a couple of other girls who agreed to go out with us.)

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