From: Peter Ceresole on
J. J. Lodder <nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

> The original metric system had an independent area unit,
> the are, equal to 100 m^2

I presume that's 100 square metres? 100 metres square (10,000 square
metres) is a hectare. amd I see that used all the time. Otherwise, in
housing land area and factory spaces, I see square metres used pretty
much for all purposes. I know about the are, but have never seen it
used.
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From: Elliott Roper on
In article <1jfjluf.ir2ppo1xgdy4dN%peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk>, Peter
Ceresole <peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> J. J. Lodder <nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
>
> > The original metric system had an independent area unit,
> > the are, equal to 100 m^2
>
> I presume that's 100 square metres? 100 metres square (10,000 square
> metres) is a hectare. amd I see that used all the time. Otherwise, in
> housing land area and factory spaces, I see square metres used pretty
> much for all purposes. I know about the are, but have never seen it
> used.

A single plot, 10m*10m is called an 'is'

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From: Rowland McDonnell on
T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote:

> (Peter Ceresole) wrote:
>
> >T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Like joint projects tween Uk and US and one group working in Imperial
> >> ... ;-(
> >
> >The most notorious example of that (crash into Mars, anyone?) was
> >between two groups within NASA. The Brits are pretty good at using
> >proper measurements now. It's only the Yanks who seem attached to their
> >peculiar version of Imperial.
>
> You can (well I can) trill trip yourself up within the metric stuff.
>
> I was trying to help laddo online make a computer desk out of an old
> wooden table and asked if fitting the 25cm thick worktop to a 75cm
> high table would make it too tall?
>
> He came back confirming this solution would be 1m high (bless him, he
> didn't want to point out my error).
>
> Of course the worktop was 25 *mm* thick and that I guess is the price
> for not working in std units

No, it's the price you pay for having people who don't *THINK*, who
don't bother to do reality checks.

erm... and was that person you this time?

>(I thought you weren't supposed to use cm
> or something, just mm, m , km etc?).

Once upon a time, there was cgs.

I think it's because of cgs that `cms' are `deprecated except for
dressmaking' these days: `don't use cms because that makes it look like
you're using cgs, but we're on mks these days'.

Rowland.

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From: Rowland McDonnell on
J. J. Lodder <nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

[snip]

> > Of course the worktop was 25 *mm* thick and that I guess is the price
> > for not working in std units (I thought you weren't supposed to use cm
> > or something, just mm, m , km etc?).
>
> For scientific publication, yes.

Since `cm' is perfectly standard SI from prefix to unit, I don't see
that that can be right.

One doesn't use `cm' in science, normally. But there's no ban on doing
so even in publication - unless particular publications *do* set such
rules, but I've never heard of anyone bothering to do so.

[snip]

Rowland.

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From: Rowland McDonnell on
Howard <Howard.not(a)home.com> wrote:

> Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Howard <Howard.not(a)home.com> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > It's not like when CDs came out first and we were all told that only the
> > > top 100 would make it to Cd
> >
> > Who made that claim? I never heard it, and it's obvious cobblers -
>
> This was all the talk when CDs came out first.

So you claim - but I asked `Who made that claim' meaning `who originated
that claim?'

I was there and I don't recall such talk.

Where did this cobblers come from? And what people spread the idea
around? I don't recall it.

> > although low-selling oddities were obviously not going to make it to CD
> > any time soon, if at all.
>
> I don't buy this at all.

<puzzled> Okay, so you find me a copy of `Woke up this morning and
found myself dead' on *ANYTHING*. It's a Hendrix picture disc I bought
in the 80s. It's not available on CD. I shouldn't think you'd find a
vinyl copy.

Or `Smoke and fire'. Go on, it's got Screaming Lord Sutch[1] on it,
that one.

Hendrix's best album, Nine to the Universe, isn't out on CD. And that
one's not /remotely/ obscure if you ask me.

I can go on and on and on like this - with LPs that I happen to own.
And then I can start on the 1960s Turkish protest songs, and the
1970/80s Soviet pressings of ripped-off Western decadence, and so on -
which I don't own but have read about. So much unavailable on CD, so
much.

> > > and if we wanted our more unusual LPs then
> > > we needed to do the conversion. You can get almost ANY LP on CD now.
> >
> > I've got /loads/ of LPs unavailable on CD. Thankfully, most of them are
> > not of musical aesthetic interest to me
>
> You may well do. But that doesn;'t change the fact that the vast
> majority are available on CD, even very very obscure ones. I've been
> through that search and only ended up with one or two unmatched.

Most LPs that have been published aren't available on CD, I'm afraid.
I've no idea why you keep stating something that's patently false.

Rowland.

[1] And Jeff Beck, John Bonham, Jimmy Page, Noel Redding, and a whole
bunch of other guys whose names I don't recognize.

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