Wanted: Flash
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From: Suzie-Q on 23 Mar 2010 18:33 In article <C7CEB594.48D931%bobhaar(a)me.com>, Robert Haar <bobhaar(a)me.com> wrote: > On 3/23/10 3:14 PM, "Suzie-Q" <sme617x(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > In article <230320101325196437%star(a)sky.net>, Davoud <star(a)sky.net> > > wrote: > > > >> Suzie-Q: > >>> That's just the player. I want to create flash animations, etc. > >> > >> For shame! > >> > >> Davoud > > > > > > Huh? Why? > > The biggest problem with Flash is that it encourages overuse and leads to > web site developers who know nothing else. Flash is not too bad for video or > interactive animations. But when it becomes a crucial part of using a web > site, it goes to far leaves out users whose systems don't support Flash. > > Learn HTML and don't do anything in Flash that you can do in modern HTML. I want to use it for animations - not for websites or advertising. Honest!! -- 8^)~~~ Sue (remove the x to email) ~~~~~~ http://www.wacvet.com/ http://suzie-q-wacvet.com/
From: Warren Oates on 23 Mar 2010 19:03 In article <C7CEB594.48D931%bobhaar(a)me.com>, Robert Haar <bobhaar(a)me.com> wrote: > The biggest problem with Flash is that it encourages overuse and leads to > web site developers who know nothing else. Flash is not too bad for video or > interactive animations. But when it becomes a crucial part of using a web > site, it goes to far leaves out users whose systems don't support Flash. Which systems are those? -- Very old woody beets will never cook tender. -- Fannie Farmer
From: Jeffrey Goldberg on 23 Mar 2010 19:30 On 2010-03-23 6:03 PM, Warren Oates wrote: > In article <C7CEB594.48D931%bobhaar(a)me.com>, > Robert Haar <bobhaar(a)me.com> wrote: > it goes to far leaves out users whose systems don't support Flash. > > Which systems are those? Well, getting flash to display properly on FreeBSD is a nightmare. (One needs to run a shaky layer to run Linux binaries so that one can run the unreliable Linux Flash players). This, however, is not my primary reason to disliking Flash. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read HTML or poorly quoting posts Reply-To address is valid
From: Robert Haar on 23 Mar 2010 20:51 On 3/23/10 7:03 PM, "Warren Oates" <warren.oates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In article <C7CEB594.48D931%bobhaar(a)me.com>, > Robert Haar <bobhaar(a)me.com> wrote: > >> The biggest problem with Flash is that it encourages overuse and leads to >> web site developers who know nothing else. Flash is not too bad for video or >> interactive animations. But when it becomes a crucial part of using a web >> site, it goes to far leaves out users whose systems don't support Flash. > > Which systems are those? My iPhone and the three Macs in my house. The Macs "could" support Flash but don't because I haven't and won't install it.
From: Davoud on 23 Mar 2010 23:15
Warren Oates: > These guys are a bit like Bible John. Steve Jobs says "Flash is evil" > and they all say "oh yea oh yea Steve thy word is righteous." Flash > isn't going away anytime soon, and HTML 5 isn't going to take over > anytime soon. These guys? I'm not sure what "guys" you mean, but I'm not one of them. Being compared to Bible John (though I don't really remember exactly what his st�ck is beyond what is obvious from his alias because I kill-filed him long ago) is an insult. Firstly, I don't rely on SJ or anyone else to tell me what to think. It only recently came to my notice that there is a controversy surrounding SJ and Adobe and Flash; not the sort of thing I google for. Secondly, I have nothing against Flash itself, but the way it is sometimes used--the content people create with it--is often annoying to me. I have used it on rare occasions to create simple technical illustrations that no one reported as annoying. Thirdly, a tongue-in-cheek "For shame!" is hardly a sweeping condemnation. As a user of of iPhone since day 2 I have never once wished it had Flash. I recently took a non-scientific poll of friends and family on the subject--a dozen or so people with iPhones--and only one said that they had been hindered on one occasion by not having Flash on their iPhone. She was unable to "build and price" a new car on a manufacturer's site. Mostly the people I asked, tech-savvy /users/ , all, did not know or did not care that Flash is not supported on their iPhones; they didn't miss it. Davoud -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |