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From: T i m on 20 Nov 2009 14:03 On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:06:38 +0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote: >On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:38:17 +0000, black.hole(a)jonbradbury.com (Jon B) >wrote: > >>T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: >> >>> Out of interest, why don't you set your Windows updates to work >>> similar to the Apple updates, informing you that they are available >>> but giving you the choice of when to install them? >>> >> >>I do now that I'm aware of the auto reboots and the potential pitfalls. >>But I'm not generally a Windows user so was caught out unawares of the >>perils of having a machine left for 5 minutes beside you doing vital >>work that it may then decide to do something else. > >And in my case that's the way the work machine came set. > Something that I have been reminded about since. The reason I needed reminding is because 1) I've never bought a pre-built PC and 2) even if I had (or have had to deal with one for somebody) I generally wipe the pre install and install it as it should be and 3) I always set it as appropriate for the user (because I know it can be a pita). Cheers, T i m
From: zoara on 21 Nov 2009 05:57 T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:32:27 +0000, chris <ithinkiam(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >T i m wrote: > >> Anyroadup, this isn't a Windows issue but user one as when you > > > install > >> Windows it asks you if you want to use automatic updates or not. I > >> always say no (but may tweak the options later dependent on the > > > role / > >> usage). > > > >Except, almost no-one installs Windows. The vast majority buy a PC > > with > >Windows on it. So, they're unlikely to even see the option. > > True. > > But it's just a 'default setting', like the OSX firewall <shrug>. > > I wasn't having a go at anyone for not knowing there was a choice and > from what I've been told so far, at least you do get a choice (when > installing), unlike with OSX? I'm *glad* OSX doesn't offer the choice to automatically restart the machine without giving me the chance to save my open documents. -zoara- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm
From: Rowland McDonnell on 22 Nov 2009 23:45 zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: [snip] > I'm *glad* OSX doesn't offer the choice to automatically restart the > machine without giving me the chance to save my open documents. It does, if you know the magic key combo... Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: T i m on 23 Nov 2009 08:19 On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:59:42 +0000, black.hole(a)jonbradbury.com (Jon B) wrote: >I don't think the timed auto confirm is really a good option either >though, unless it unsaved work stops it as the Apple system does. >Eventually doing a software update/reboot it will stop when a certain >piece of software shouts hang on I'm not done here yet, but the Windows >SU ignores all that and boots anyway. But isn't there a case for forcing a reboot as to continue without so doing could cause issues? I'm not supporting the blanket use of auto-reboot btw (I generally turn it off) but at the same time I might not want an open notepad.txt being used as a post-it preventing a reboot on a remote box? Cheers, T i m
From: Jon B on 23 Nov 2009 10:26
T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:59:42 +0000, black.hole(a)jonbradbury.com (Jon B) > wrote: > > >I don't think the timed auto confirm is really a good option either > >though, unless it unsaved work stops it as the Apple system does. > >Eventually doing a software update/reboot it will stop when a certain > >piece of software shouts hang on I'm not done here yet, but the Windows > >SU ignores all that and boots anyway. > > > But isn't there a case for forcing a reboot as to continue without so > doing could cause issues? > > I'm not supporting the blanket use of auto-reboot btw (I generally > turn it off) but at the same time I might not want an open > notepad.txt being used as a post-it preventing a reboot on a remote > box? > The current method obviously doesn't work as it can cause data loss & hardware failure. It also decides to do it in the 5 mins you've gone to put the kettle on. Not good combos. In the office enviroment then you may be able to put in a blanket "if you haven't saved any docs when you go home at 5, don't complain when we've rebooted the systems at 6 following updates and you've lost it. You'd then be able to expect to safely reboot systems without causing any headaches. All you need to do is get the few that may be in at 6 one night, or leaving something running overnight to prewarn you to this fact before you run the updates remotely. At the office I've got Apples Remote Desktop, this actually allows me to run the updates with a choice of three outcomes, don't restart, forced restart, or attempt to restart but let the users save docs first. This will at least install the updates but when the users get back to the office at 9am, the first thing its going to do is make them save the notepad, then actually restart their machine to finish off the update. -- Jon B Above email address IS valid. <http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs. |