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From: Ben Shimmin on 17 Nov 2009 17:59 zoara <me18(a)privacy.net>: > Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote: >> zoara <me18(a)privacy.net>: >> > Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> > I was making a distinction between SL's implementation (which >> >> > requires >> >> > the distinct click-and-hold interaction per application) and >> > > > Windows >> >> > 7's >> >> > implementation, which does not. At first blush it would seem the >> >> > latter >> >> > is better, but I'm not sure. >> >> NewsTap's quoting really could do with work. Ah, happy memories of >> OE-QuoteFix. > > Are you talking about the single-word-to-a-line problem? I can't see > that in NewsTap as it uses format=flowed - it looks like this: > http://emberapp.com/zoara/images/untitled It looks like this in slrn (and anything else that doesn't use format=flowed): <URL:http://rialto.bas.me.uk/~bas/things/newstap.png> >> >> I find the Windows 7 preview thing bloody irritating. >> > >> > So the question is whether I'm more of a Ben or a Woody. I think I'd >> > find it irritating. >> >> Windows 7's `Show Desktop' thing is also amazingly ill-conceived. >> Basically it's a small, blank rectangle at the very far right of the >> Taskbar. Clearly this has been extremely popular with users, given >> how most of the Google hits for `Windows 7 show desktop' are about >> how to get the old `Show Desktop' button back into the Taskbar[1]. > > Hmmm. It's wrong that they've made it look like a piece of window > furniture but it *is* well-placed. It's out of the way but > infinitely-sized (throw the mouse in the corner to "peek", throw and > click to show the desktop). The Windows collective seem to think it should be on the left, near the Start menu, where it always used to be. `What you're used to' isn't a terribly logical argument, but it's one which the public is prone to making. b. -- <bas(a)bas.me.uk> <URL:http://bas.me.uk/> `Property, marriage, the law; as the bed to the river, so rule and convention to the instinct; and woe to him who tampers with the banks while the flood is flowing.' -- Samuel Butler, _Erewhon_
From: Woody on 18 Nov 2009 14:41 "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message news:1j99y6k.ywj0391w3y4oN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk... > zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: > >> There may not be a huge difference in time or effort, but there *is* a >> difference, and making the little things easier is what separates a >> decent OS from an excellent one. Done right, I think this feature is a >> winner. > > I'd like to see how it works on multiple monitors. > > Microsoft have a long history of getting multiple screen use badly > wrong. ok, now I am back on windows 7 I am glad to report you wont be disappointed! You can make a window go full screen, by dragging it to the top of a screen, or you can make it snap to the left half of the left screen or the right half of the right screen by dragging it to the left or right edge of the respective screen. You cant get it to zoom to the right of the left screen or the left of the right screen at all. -- Woody
From: Jon B on 19 Nov 2009 04:40 zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: > Jon B <black.hole(a)jonbradbury.com> wrote: > > Clive Sinclair <clive(a)cs.com> wrote: > > > > Apple learn from Microsoft? Very little. I know it's not > > > constructive... > > > > > > I chuckle everytime I watch my wife boot her 5 month old laptop into > > > > > > Windows 7 takes forever. > > > > > > My 2yr old Mackbook Pro loads 10.6.2 is ready to use in about 40sec > > > from > > > power on. > > > > Power on? Always around 5seconds here from sleep > > Quicker than that, in Snow Leopard, for me. But my work Windows box > wakes from sleep in about the same time (I bet the power consumption > figures differ by a lot, though). > I do have password enabled which seems to just slow them down a bit, though it isn't as bad as it was under Tiger/Snow Leopard. My works iMac also takes a while to come to life, but I think thats Retrospect 8 more than anything. -- Jon B Above email address IS valid. <http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs.
From: T i m on 19 Nov 2009 06:14 On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:40:42 +0000, black.hole(a)jonbradbury.com (Jon B) wrote: >Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote: > >> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:48:52 +0000, Ben Shimmin >> <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote: >> >> >Perhaps Apple could implement the Windows Update feature of popping >> >up a dialog box every five minutes asking you to update now or later. >> >I love that feature. >> >> My favourite is the one where it automatically installs updates it >> thinks are important, and then reboots your computer without saving >> any of your work that you've left open. >> >Nor does it ask if the firmware update you've quietly left running on >your Nokia is OK to interupt either, and leaves you with a broken phone. >Work I can retype, luckily the phone was fixed with a new board under >warranty. Out of interest, why don't you set your Windows updates to work similar to the Apple updates, informing you that they are available but giving you the choice of when to install them? T i m
From: Jon B on 19 Nov 2009 06:38
T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:40:42 +0000, black.hole(a)jonbradbury.com (Jon B) > wrote: > > >Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:48:52 +0000, Ben Shimmin > >> <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Perhaps Apple could implement the Windows Update feature of popping > >> >up a dialog box every five minutes asking you to update now or later. > >> >I love that feature. > >> > >> My favourite is the one where it automatically installs updates it > >> thinks are important, and then reboots your computer without saving > >> any of your work that you've left open. > >> > >Nor does it ask if the firmware update you've quietly left running on > >your Nokia is OK to interupt either, and leaves you with a broken phone. > >Work I can retype, luckily the phone was fixed with a new board under > >warranty. > > Out of interest, why don't you set your Windows updates to work > similar to the Apple updates, informing you that they are available > but giving you the choice of when to install them? > I do now that I'm aware of the auto reboots and the potential pitfalls. But I'm not generally a Windows user so was caught out unawares of the perils of having a machine left for 5 minutes beside you doing vital work that it may then decide to do something else. -- Jon B Above email address IS valid. <http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs. |