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From: SOB) on 4 Apr 2005 10:20 On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 23:31:50 -0700, Virgil <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil(a)COMCAST.com> wrote: >The two extremes are mirror images of one another. Indeed! But then half the population does have an IQ under 100. Now you know who they are. -- Million Mom March For Gun Confiscation http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/mmm.html "If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all!" --Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.)
From: Jez on 4 Apr 2005 13:28 Sister Mary wrote: > On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:34:58 GMT, sob(a)sob.com (Sweet Ol' Bob (SOB)) > wrote: > > >>On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 10:39:48 -0400, Sister Mary <sm(a)tcn.met> wrote: >> >> >>>>If man screws things up beyond even God's ability to repair them, then >>>>it is not worth the effort to come back. >> >>>So much for omnipotence, eh liar! >> >>How sweet of you, Good Sister, calling me a liar. What does that make >>you? >> > > Honest. > > >>Can God be required to make a rock so large that He cannot lift it? >>Wouldn't that result in a contradiction? >> > > Strawman. What has that got to do with God's OMNIPOTENCE, according to > you, baing defeated by mere humans? Not a strawman at all, just an argument to prove that it is not possible for God to be omnipotent, 'cos if God was omnipotent, (Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful), and could make a rock that was so heavy he couldn't lift it, it shows that he couldn't be omnipotent. And if he couldn't make a rock that was too heavy for him to lift, it again shows he couldn't be omnipotent. But then, as he doesn't exist, who cares. -- Jez 'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'- Howard Zinn NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
From: Earle Jones on 4 Apr 2005 14:48 In article <O6ednblVrPqq5MzfRVnygA(a)pipex.net>, Jez <iced_spear(a)NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote: > Sister Mary wrote: > > On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:34:58 GMT, sob(a)sob.com (Sweet Ol' Bob (SOB)) > > wrote: > > > > > >>On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 10:39:48 -0400, Sister Mary <sm(a)tcn.met> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>>If man screws things up beyond even God's ability to repair them, then > >>>>it is not worth the effort to come back. > >> > >>>So much for omnipotence, eh liar! > >> > >>How sweet of you, Good Sister, calling me a liar. What does that make > >>you? > >> > > > > Honest. > > > > > >>Can God be required to make a rock so large that He cannot lift it? > >>Wouldn't that result in a contradiction? > >> > > > > Strawman. What has that got to do with God's OMNIPOTENCE, according to > > you, baing defeated by mere humans? > > Not a strawman at all, just an argument to prove that it is not possible > for God to be omnipotent, 'cos if God was omnipotent, (Having unlimited > or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful), > and could make a rock that was so heavy he couldn't lift it, it shows > that he couldn't be omnipotent. > And if he couldn't make a rock that was too heavy for him to lift, it > again shows he couldn't be omnipotent. * The Bible proves that God is not omnipotent: "And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." --Judges 1:19 earle * "What matters in science is data ... and explanations of the natural world that are consistent with those data...Evolution has not attained the level of theory because people believe in it, but rather because it is an explanation that is consistent with hundreds of years of data collection as described in tens of thousands of scientific manuscripts." --Casey Hoy, Wooster, MA School Board
From: SOB) on 4 Apr 2005 16:16 On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:28:28 +0100, Jez <iced_spear(a)NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote: >if God was omnipotent, (Having unlimited >or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful), >and could make a rock that was so heavy he couldn't lift it, it shows >that he couldn't be omnipotent. Such a rock cannot exist in objective reality. It is a figment of someone's imagination. Omnipotence is restricted to the real objective world if you are talking about objects in the real objective world. -- Million Mom March For Gun Confiscation http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/mmm.html "If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all!" --Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.)
From: SOB) on 4 Apr 2005 16:17
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 10:48:35 -0800, Earle Jones <earle.jones(a)comcast.net> wrote: > "And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of >the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, >because they had chariots of iron." So Judah wasn't able to drive out the valley people. So what? -- Million Mom March For Gun Confiscation http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/mmm.html "If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all!" --Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) |