Where is balance? -- Re: Academic priorities
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From: jmfbahciv on 6 May 2005 06:21 In article <5Jednd0De7BowObfRVn-1A(a)giganews.com>, "Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary(a)msn.com> wrote: ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:mZ6dnQryba79yebfRVn-pg(a)rcn.net... >> In article <d5d3fh$rp7$1(a)nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, >> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow(a)btopenworld.com> wrote: >> >Screwdrivers are a different matter. The woodwork room should be >> >equipped with screwdrivers and the children made to return them at the >> >end of the lesson. >> >> What lesson? The kid was fixing his mother's lawn mower before >> he left for school. I can't tell you how many times I've find >> various tools in my back pocket because I'd finished using them >> and went on to other things. > >I get up a couple of hours and do things before going to the office. I >sometimes end up with the oddest stuff on my desk, or in my car, because I'd >stuffed something in a pocket while doing the job or picking up afterwards. And then there are the pocket contents you need when you're working and the pocket contents you need when you're going to school. Neither intersect ;-). > >> > .. So there is no honest reason for children to be >> >carrying one during the day. >> >> There sure is if he was working before he left for school. > >The simple "honest reason" is "Oops, forgot to put that back in the tool box." Sure. Or, the way that family works, the choice was putting it back or missing the bus or getting yelled at to hurry up. > >One of the problems with Zero Tolerance is that the concept of "honest mistake" >has been thrown out. Intent is irrelevant, only results matter. And we computer biz people know what happens when the symptom is fixed and not the real bug. Bandaids, anyone? /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
From: Andrew Swallow on 6 May 2005 09:00 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: [snip] > > We seem to have a culture clash. On farms, kids get up at dawn > and work for a couple of hours before going to school. :-) It is the city schools in the bad neighbourhoods that require children to be searched for weapons everyday on arrival. Andrew Swallow
From: CBFalconer on 6 May 2005 09:32 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > .... snip ... > > We seem to have a culture clash. On farms, kids get up at dawn > and work for a couple of hours before going to school. :-) Farms and farmers are anachronisms. They have been replaced by ConAgras, whose purpose is to collect subsidies, inject hormones, and destroy heredity by gene manipulation. Repent. -- Chuck F (cbfalconer(a)yahoo.com) (cbfalconer(a)worldnet.att.net) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net> USE worldnet address!
From: Kevin G. Rhoads on 6 May 2005 09:19 >Intent is irrelevant, only results matter. Close: Intent is irrelevant, results are also irrelevant, only appearances matter, and only in the minds of the officials enforcing the ZT policies.
From: Joe Pfeiffer on 6 May 2005 09:45
Brian Inglis <Brian.Inglis(a)SystematicSW.Invalid> writes: > On 05 May 2005 20:38:07 GMT in alt.folklore.computers, Casper H.S. Dik > <Casper.Dik(a)Sun.COM> wrote: > > >Norman Yarvin <norman.yarvin(a)snet.net> writes: > > > >>In article <d5a5rr$tms$1(a)osl016lin.hda.hydro.com>, > >>Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen(a)hda.hydro.com> wrote: > > > >>>Besides, who needs a sharp knife when a broken whiskey bottle is handy? > > > >>Me. Bottles are not as easy to break as the movies show; and once broken > >>they're liable to break further, likely shattering in the wielder's hand. > > > >And which part of a plane can you hit with a bottle that wouldn't > >break before the bottle breaks? > > Crew hostages? What airline do you fly that has large glass bottles? -- Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605 Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002 New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer |