Where is balance? -- Re: Academic priorities
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From: Bill Leary on 9 May 2005 19:47 "Del Cecchi" <dcecchi.nospam(a)att.net> wrote in message news:3ea6edF21jhpU1(a)individual.net... > "Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary(a)msn.com> wrote in message > news:HbydnT2uacFbfOLfRVn-rQ(a)giganews.com... > > The disappointment they feel when they're sued for adhering to this policy > > must be as awesome as it was predictable. > > > They have a policy, passed by the school board. Provided to every student > at the start of school. Not much grounds for a suit. What would the > plaintiff claim? The rules don't apply to me? No judgement is allowed so > plaintiff can't claim unfair application. Zero Tolerance is as suit proof > as is possible to be. > > So they can be sued but the suits don't get far. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they even win. http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2003/09/09/2003090913949.htm - Bill
From: Del Cecchi on 9 May 2005 20:30 "Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary(a)msn.com> wrote in message news:sdKdnTjFHc5TaeLfRVn-uA(a)giganews.com... > "Del Cecchi" <dcecchi.nospam(a)att.net> wrote in message > news:3ea6edF21jhpU1(a)individual.net... >> "Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary(a)msn.com> wrote in message >> news:HbydnT2uacFbfOLfRVn-rQ(a)giganews.com... >> > The disappointment they feel when they're sued for adhering to this >> > policy >> > must be as awesome as it was predictable. >> > >> They have a policy, passed by the school board. Provided to every >> student >> at the start of school. Not much grounds for a suit. What would the >> plaintiff claim? The rules don't apply to me? No judgement is allowed >> so >> plaintiff can't claim unfair application. Zero Tolerance is as suit >> proof >> as is possible to be. >> >> So they can be sued but the suits don't get far. > > Sometimes they do. Sometimes they even win. > > http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2003/09/09/2003090913949.htm > > - Bill > sure. And check out http://www.ztnightmares.com/ for the other side of the story. Many web sites come up searching on Zero Tolerance. But this is really really off topic. I apologize and won't continue. >
From: Bill Leary on 10 May 2005 00:15 "Del Cecchi" <dcecchi.nospam(a)att.net> wrote in message news:3eadkaF22f6nU1(a)individual.net... > "Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary(a)msn.com> wrote in message > news:sdKdnTjFHc5TaeLfRVn-uA(a)giganews.com... > >> So they can be sued but the suits don't get far. > > > > Sometimes they do. Sometimes they even win. > > > > http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2003/09/09/2003090913949.htm > > > sure. And check out http://www.ztnightmares.com/ for the other side of the > story. Many web sites come up searching on Zero Tolerance. Yeah, I saw that one too. > But this is really really off topic. I apologize and won't continue. No need to apologize. Sometimes is seems that off-topic is the topic here. - Bill
From: Steve Richfie1d on 10 May 2005 01:10 Del, et al, > They have a policy, passed by the school board. Provided to every student > at the start of school. Not much grounds for a suit. What would the > plaintiff claim? The rules don't apply to me? No judgement is allowed so > plaintiff can't claim unfair application. Zero Tolerance is as suit proof > as is possible to be. When I sent my son to school with handcuffs and a legal brief, the defense was based on the California State Constitution that guaranteed the right of citizens arrest and without any consideration of the age of the arresting person. Further, a proper legal arrest under State law there requires physically restraining the person being arrested, so there was a clearly implied legal right to carry the hardware needed to restrain people - handcuffs. As I explained in an earlier posting, the argument prevailed and he continued carrying the handcuffs for months until we eventually moved out of that area. This pacified an entire rather violent school, as every kid there then knew that if they got violent that they could expect to be chained up and sent off with the County Sheriff as required by law. My son never had to actually use the handcuffs. One interesting point: The school administration asked about safety. Of course my son knew all about how to apply them onto the wrist bone, the secondary safety lock to keep them from tightening up, etc. I think it is important to teach kids how to successfully challenge and change large systems, just so they know from first hand experience that it is really not all that difficult. Steve Richfie1d
From: Herman Rubin on 10 May 2005 11:05
In article <3ea6edF21jhpU1(a)individual.net>, Del Cecchi <dcecchi.nospam(a)att.net> wrote: >"Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary(a)msn.com> wrote in message >news:HbydnT2uacFbfOLfRVn-rQ(a)giganews.com... >> "Del Cecchi" <dcecchi.nospam(a)att.net> wrote in message >> news:3e9a6pF1qqp3U1(a)individual.net... >>> The objective of Zero Tolerance to avoid litigation. .................. >> That's the idea. >> The disappointment they feel when they're sued for adhering to this policy >> must >> be as awesome as it was predictable. >They have a policy, passed by the school board. Provided to every student >at the start of school. Not much grounds for a suit. What would the >plaintiff claim? The rules don't apply to me? No judgement is allowed so >plaintiff can't claim unfair application. Zero Tolerance is as suit proof >as is possible to be. >So they can be sued but the suits don't get far. I do not have any documentation, but I do know of one case where the threat of a suit got the penalties canceled in one case. There was a diabetic boy, who kept a syringe containing a single injection of glucagon in his desk. He showed it to his friends, and told them how to use it and when. One time in physical education, the teacher insisted the boy continue when he said he felt low and needed to test. When he fainted, and the teacher ignored it, one of his friends rushed to his desk, took the syringe, went back to the gym and gave him the injection. The school wanted to expel the intelligent friend for violating ZT. When the parents of the diabetic pointed out what they could do to the school in court if they did it, the expulsion was quickly dropped. For those who do not know, if a diabetic comes even close to passing out, give sugar, and glucagon is even faster, and to be used in situations like this. Do this BEFORE finding out if hypoglycemia is the cause. -- This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University hrubin(a)stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558 |