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From: Sam Wormley on 18 Dec 2009 17:19 On 12/18/09 4:03 PM, mpc755 wrote: > > My animation is correct for light from A and B reaching M and for > light from A' and B' reaching M' when the medium is at rest in regards > to A, B, and M and the medium is at rest in regards to A', B', and M'. How does it compare with The Mechanical Universe series. http://www.learner.org/resources/series42.html 42. The Lorentz Transformation If the speed of light is to be the same for all observers, then the length of a meter stick, or the rate of a ticking clock, depends on who measures it.
From: mpc755 on 18 Dec 2009 17:28 On Dec 18, 3:20 pm, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > On Dec 17, 1:05 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Dec 17, 1:03 pm, papar wrote: > > > > On 17 dic, 14:59, mpc755 wrote: > > > > >On Dec 17, 1:21 pm, mpc755 wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 17, 12:54 pm, "papar...(a)gmail.com" wrote: > ><<<< The water is at rest relative to the embankment. There is a single LIGHTNING STRIKE in the water at A/A' and a single LIGHTNING STRIKE in the water at B/B'. Where does the Observer at M' measure to in order to determine how far the LIGHT travels? Does the Observer at M' measure to A' and B', or does the Observer at M' measure to A and B in order to determine how far the LIGHT travels to M'? > > ><<< Observer M' is passing by the location of observer M, at time t0. M' is moving at a speed v, relative to observer M, on the direction of x. All this is happening in deep space, without any gravitational mass (including water). Later, at time t1, observer {M'} sees TWO simultaneous light signals A and B arriving from opposite directions along x. > > Question: a) Since observer M', in the interval of time (t1-t0) has > already moved towards the source of the light signal B, did he observe > the light signal coming from B before observer M, or did he not? {HE > DID.} > b) Since at time t1, the light signal coming from point A is at the > location of observer M, is it true that the light signal coming from > point A has some travel to do to arrive to the location of observer > M', or is it not true? {IT'S TRUE.} > c) From (a) and (b) is it true that observer M' will declare that he > received two non simultaneous light signals (first the light signal > from point B, later the light signal from point A), or is it not true? > {AS EINSTEIN SHOWED IN HIS 1905 PAPER, IT'S TRUE.} >>> > > > > ><< The water is at rest relative to the embankment. There is a single LIGHTNING STRIKE in the water at A/A' and a single LIGHTNING STRIKE in the water at B/B'. Where does the Observer at M' measure to in order to determine how far the LIGHT travels? Does the Observer at M' measure to A' and B', or does the Observer at M' measure to A and B in order to determine how far the LIGHT travels to M'? > > > Since there were TWO lightning strikes "in the water"; one at A and > another at B, that question is meaningless. > > >< Since no one is able to answer this question, I {mpc} will have to answer it. > > Since the light waves associated with the lightning strikes are > traveling relative to the water which is at rest relative to the > embankment, the Observer at M' measures to A and B in order to > determine how far the light traveled to M'. > With the water being at rest relative to the embankment, measuring > to A' and B' is meaningless. > > > Please pardon me for "correcting" you, mpc, but i think you meant to > say something like this: > Since the light waves associated with the lightning strikes are > traveling relative to the water which is at rest relative to the > embankment; in order to determine how far the light traveled from A to > M' the Observer at M' measures the distance between him and A when the > first ray reaches him at a time t'A, and in order to determine how far > the light traveled from B to M', he measures the distance between him > and B when the second ray reaches him at the time t'B. > Yes, for everything except possibly the t' stuff. I think there is definitely something going on with the rate at which clocks 'tick' and their interaction with the aether, but it is a physical interaction. Clocks 'tick' at different rates due to their respective interaction with the aether. The rate at which a clock 'ticks' has nothing to do with time. Time is a concept. > Either way, as Einstein showed in his 1905 paper's equations, the > two rays would NOT reach the moving observer at the same time, as > plotted by synchronous clocks of the stationary system. > Why is my animation correct for every medium in terms of the light from A and B reaching M and for the light from A' and B' reaching M' when the medium is at rest with respect to A, B, and M and the medium is at rest with respect to A', B', and M' and why is my animation considered to be incorrect only when there is no medium? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyWTaXMElUk Light travels at 'c' with respect to the aether.
From: mpc755 on 18 Dec 2009 17:37 On Dec 18, 5:19 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 12/18/09 4:03 PM, mpc755 wrote: > > > > > My animation is correct for light from A and B reaching M and for > > light from A' and B' reaching M' when the medium is at rest in regards > > to A, B, and M and the medium is at rest in regards to A', B', and M'. > > How does it compare with > > The Mechanical Universe series. > http://www.learner.org/resources/series42.html > > 42. The Lorentz Transformation > If the speed of light is to be the same for all observers, then > the length of a meter stick, or the rate of a ticking clock, > depends on who measures it. There is definitely something going on between the rate at which clocks 'tick' and the clock's interaction with the aether, and there may be some length contraction as stuff moves through varying degrees of aether pressure, but my gut tells me length contraction and time dilation are cop-outs. An atomic clock on top of a mountain will 'tick' slower because the aether pressure is less and the oscillation will not be as compressed.
From: mpc755 on 18 Dec 2009 18:00 On Dec 18, 5:37 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 18, 5:19 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 12/18/09 4:03 PM, mpc755 wrote: > > > > My animation is correct for light from A and B reaching M and for > > > light from A' and B' reaching M' when the medium is at rest in regards > > > to A, B, and M and the medium is at rest in regards to A', B', and M'.. > > > How does it compare with > > > The Mechanical Universe series. > > http://www.learner.org/resources/series42.html > > > 42. The Lorentz Transformation > > If the speed of light is to be the same for all observers, then > > the length of a meter stick, or the rate of a ticking clock, > > depends on who measures it. > > There is definitely something going on between the rate at which > clocks 'tick' and the clock's interaction with the aether, and there > may be some length contraction as stuff moves through varying degrees > of aether pressure, but my gut tells me length contraction and time > dilation are cop-outs. > > An atomic clock on top of a mountain will 'tick' slower because the > aether pressure is less and the oscillation will not be as compressed. In Aether Displacement, the speed of light is defined at 'c' with respect to the aether. If we have a train where the aether is at rest with respect to the train and two photons are fired from the back of the train and one light year from where the photon was fired is an Observer on the train and the instant the Observer on the train receives the photon the photon is received by an Observer on the embankment, both Observers, since they know the state of the aether, both determine the photons to have been emitted from the same place in three dimensional space and to have been emitted one year ago. If you want to be all hung up about where the photons were emitted from in three dimensional space relative to the Observer on the embankment and how that means the light traveled at greater than 'c', that is your issue. Whenever you want to have a cow about the speed of light, add water at rest in reference frames to your gedanken.
From: Sam Wormley on 18 Dec 2009 18:32
On 12/18/09 4:37 PM, mpc755 wrote: > On Dec 18, 5:19 pm, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 12/18/09 4:03 PM, mpc755 wrote: >> >> >> >>> My animation is correct for light from A and B reaching M and for >>> light from A' and B' reaching M' when the medium is at rest in regards >>> to A, B, and M and the medium is at rest in regards to A', B', and M'. >> >> How does it compare with >> >> The Mechanical Universe series. >> http://www.learner.org/resources/series42.html >> >> 42. The Lorentz Transformation >> If the speed of light is to be the same for all observers, then >> the length of a meter stick, or the rate of a ticking clock, >> depends on who measures it. > > There is definitely something going on between the rate at which > clocks 'tick' and the clock's interaction with the aether, and there > may be some length contraction as stuff moves through varying degrees > of aether pressure, but my gut tells me length contraction and time > dilation are cop-outs. > > An atomic clock on top of a mountain will 'tick' slower because the > aether pressure is less and the oscillation will not be as compressed. Observations show that clock "tick" faster on the top of a mountain compared to clocks at the bottom of the mountain. This was predicted by general relativity and confirmed experimentally. |