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From: Nick Naym on 18 Apr 2010 10:22 In article 180420100534545974%star(a)sky.net, Davoud at star(a)sky.net wrote on 4/18/10 5:34 AM: > Davoud: >>> They are enraged that Obama would not have been elected if >>> the people had not judged that Bush II was worst President in modern >>> history (pushing Nixon down to #2). > > Tim Streater: >> You're overlooking Jimmy Carter. > > Jimmy Carter was an unlucky President and also a victim of certain > circumstances beyond his control. He will not be considered a great > President, but he is a great man. Bad he was not as president and evil, > certainly not. > > The Iranian hostage crisis is the most visible example. I was working > for the government in the Middle East throughout, and I have intimate > knowledge of this sad event. We had few options available to us in > this situation; Carter chose the best and most honorable of them -- a > well planned military rescue. But "the best laid plans of mice and men > gang aft agley." Bad weather and bad luck caused the rescue effort to > fail tragically. To say that that was Jimmy Carter's fault is > revisionist history. The Commander in Chief is rightly held > responsible, but he does not personally deserve the credit for battles > won or the blame for battles lost--particularly those lost battles that > involve the bravest of men and women taking the boldest and most > extreme risks. > > Along came Reagan (who, tragically, developed Alzheimer's Disease on > the day he left office). He chose to make an unconstitutional and > despicable, vile, and dishonest deal with the Iranians for the > hostages' release, using the hostages to help his political campaign > and to celebrate his inauguration. Theft of the peoples' property, > including sensitive cryptographic gear and may other weapons, and > delivering it to the Contras to get money to buy other weapons and > spares to deliver to Iran as a bribe is one example of his dishonorable > (and impeachable in a sane country) behavior. (Of course, not all of > the money went to Iran. Turns out American "hero" Ollie North and > others stole part of it. It's worth remembering that North was > acquitted on a technicality _after_ the felony charges were proved > beyond reasonable doubt). There are other Reagan crimes and > misdemeanors that will not be know to the public until long after any > news value is weakened by time. Reagan went on to bankrupt the country, > teach us that it is the fault of the poor that they are poor, teach us > to revile the poor, but that we could help them by giving vast > quantities of money to the rich in a scheme that his own VP had > famously called "voodoo economics." He taught us that hatred of those > who are unlike us and who don't share our views is imperative if one > wants to be called a patriotic. He taught us that the kind smart, > educated people who built this country are America's real enemies. An > expert in forestry, he taught us that our entire air pollution problem > is caused by trees. Then he went on to direct his CIA to create > Al-Qa'eda and the Taliban. > > Fiscal and moral bankruptcy and the moulding of a political party of > hatred, bigotry, lies, and mean spiritedness are Reagan's only enduring > legacies. > > In spite of the long and uninterrupted list of Reagan failures, GW Bush > has pushed Reagan into third place as the worst President in modern > history. To believe otherwise is to believe that the emperor is wearing > splendid new clothing. > > Davoud Eloquent. -- iMac (27", 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, 1 TB HDD) � OS X (10.6.3)
From: George Kerby on 18 Apr 2010 10:40 On 4/17/10 10:24 PM, in article tkettler-7021BA.23242417042010(a)62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi, "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkettler(a)blownfuse.net> wrote: > In article <C7EFC8F5.436D5%ghost_topper(a)hotmail.com>, > George Kerby <ghost_topper(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On 4/17/10 6:32 PM, in article >> tkettler-747F69.19320317042010(a)news.eternal-september.org, "Thomas R. >> Kettler" <tkettler(a)blownfuse.net> wrote: >> >>> In article <C7EF702A.4368E%ghost_topper(a)hotmail.com>, >>> George Kerby <ghost_topper(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 4/17/10 12:06 PM, in article >>>> C7EF62D8.5976F%nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid, "Nick Naym" >>>> <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article michelle-12D5B4.08421317042010(a)news.eternal-september.org, >>>>> Michelle Steiner at michelle(a)michelle.org wrote on 4/17/10 11:42 AM: >>>>> >>>>>> In article <C7EF4405.59742%nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid>, >>>>>> Nick Naym <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> JFK: Young, relatively inexperienced, >>>>>> >>>>>> He had served six years in the House of Representatives and seven years >>>>>> in >>>>>> the Senate when he was elected president. I wouldn't call that >>>>>> inexperienced. >>>>> >>>>> Compared to Humphrey and Nixon? >>>>> >>>> Or a "Community Agitat - er, Organizer"? >>>> >>>> ;-) >>> >>> Well, the RepbliCANTS are considering having a half-term governor from >>> Alaska who previously was a mayor of a town of 7000 run in 2012 so >>> what's your point other than the one at the top of your head? >> >> Oh, Tommy! You are so cleaver, beve! Maybe you and nancyP can have a date? >> That 'pointy' thing is so kewl! U rok, b-boy! C u in one-two and we will do >> lunch, otay? > > Did I strike a nerve? > > BTW, if I'm a Cleaver, am I Ward, Wally or the Beaver? That ADD thingy needs some professional care. Or is reading not one of your strong traits?
From: Nick Naym on 18 Apr 2010 10:46 In article 180420100534545974%star(a)sky.net, Davoud at star(a)sky.net wrote on 4/18/10 5:34 AM: > Davoud: .... .... > ... that his own VP had > famously called "voodoo economics." Poetic injustice or historical irony? -- iMac (27", 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, 1 TB HDD) � OS X (10.6.3)
From: Nick Naym on 18 Apr 2010 11:47 In article michelle-CF3F7C.06494818042010(a)news.eternal-september.org, Michelle Steiner at michelle(a)michelle.org wrote on 4/18/10 9:49 AM: > In article <slrnhsm0vn.2dqp.g.kreme(a)cerebus.local>, > Lewis <g.kreme(a)gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > >> Bush II and Nixon were *actively* bad Presidents. > > I maintain that if not for Watergate and all that went with it (e.g., the > enemies list), Nixon would have gone down in history as one of the best > presidents of the 20th century. Right-wing, gun-toting, fascist wingnut. . . ....no wait... Left-wing, bleeding-heart, liberal commie. . . ....no, wait... Ummm. . . Err. . . (Never mind) -- iMac (27", 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, 1 TB HDD) � OS X (10.6.3)
From: Nick Naym on 18 Apr 2010 11:54
In article michelle-DCC7A8.07210818042010(a)news.eternal-september.org, Michelle Steiner at michelle(a)michelle.org wrote on 4/18/10 10:21 AM: > In article <C7F0894C.597F3%nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid>, > Nick Naym <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> wrote: > >>>>>> JFK: Young, relatively inexperienced, >>>>> >>>>> He had served six years in the House of Representatives and seven >>>>> years in the Senate when he was elected president. I wouldn't call >>>>> that inexperienced. >>>> >>>> Compared to Humphrey and Nixon? >>> >>> How about compared to Dubbya or Reagan? >> >> They weren't running at the time. > > Immaterial; we are comparing presidents, not comparing candidates. "What you mean 'we' kemosabe?" (You hijacked my statement, taking it out of context.) -- iMac (27", 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, 1 TB HDD) � OS X (10.6.3) |