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From: John Larkin on 22 May 2010 00:01 On Fri, 21 May 2010 22:15:21 -0500, "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >On Fri, 21 May 2010 19:17:31 -0700, John Larkin ><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >>On Fri, 21 May 2010 18:48:49 -0500, "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 21 May 2010 19:35:38 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >>><mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"keithw86(a)gmail.com" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On May 21, 10:37 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...(a)On- >>>>> My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >>>>> > On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:06:13 -0700, John Larkin >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>>> > >On Fri, 21 May 2010 10:01:04 -0400, Spehro Pefhany >>>>> > ><speffS...(a)interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>[1] Try this: get a good gram scale and buy 50 small bags of potato >>>>> > >>>chips. Note the specified net weight; say 3.5 grams. Weigh the >>>>> > >>>contents. You'll find weights like 3.52, 3.56, 3.54, rarely as much as >>>>> > >>>3.6. Weigh one chip; it might average, say, 0.2 grams. So how do they >>>>> > >>>manage to come so close when the quantization is so large? >>>>> > >>>>> > >>I'm sure they have some kind of crumby solution... >>>>> > >>>>> > >You are partially right. >>>>> > >>>>> > >John >>>>> > >>>>> > Small chips ?:-) >>>>> >>>>> Salt >>>> >>>> >>>> Nothing wrong with salt. I have to use five to seven times the >>>>recommended amount to prevent pressure sores. >>> >>>There is a lot wrong with salt. Some need more than others, but almost >>>everyone gets far more than they need. Many get dangerous levels. >> >>From the wikipedia page on salt... >> >> >>Meta-analysis in 2009 found that the sodium consumption of 19,151 >>individuals from 33 countries fit into the narrow range of 2,700 to >>4,900 mg/day. The small range across many cultures, together with >>animal studies, suggest that sodium intake is tightly controlled by >>feedback loops in the body, making recommendations to reduce sodium >>consumption below 2,700 mg/day potentially futile.[72] >> >> >>...which is interesting. Salt intake is not particularly associated >>with Western diets. I trust my body to self-regulate basic stuff like >>this. > >What do you mean mot associated with Western diets. We eat a *ton* of salt. >It's added, in massive quantities, to just about everything. You may be able >to trust your body to self-regulate, but add a little kidney or heart damage >and that won't work out so well. Well, just now, I'm cooking up a pot of home-made chicken broth, which includes no salt. It just tastes so much better than the commercial junk. But I think bodies know what they want and don't want. And excrete whatever they have too much of. Why would my body absorb more salt than it needs, when it could just let it pass through? John
From: Bill Bowden on 22 May 2010 00:35 On May 21, 3:24 am, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > > > After that you try to say you're > > not trying to ""sell"" socialism?? > > Not really. Americans ignore the way the rest of the world does > things, despite the fact that some ways of running a country are > better managed outside the USA. Health care is the the classic example > - US health care cost half as much again per head as the best foreign > systems (in France and Germany) while providing no better health care > for prosperous employed Americans than the French and German systems > provide for everybody, while providng much worse health care for the > less well-off part of the US population. > Actually, health care costs in the US are inflated due to the additional R&D costs other countries don't pay. http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/commentary/the-cost-of-free-government-health-care/ "Countries with government-run health care save money by relying on the United States to pay the research and development costs for new medical technology and medications. If we adopt the cost-control policies that have limited innovation in other countries, everyone will suffer." -Bill
From: krw on 22 May 2010 00:36 On Fri, 21 May 2010 21:01:34 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Fri, 21 May 2010 22:15:21 -0500, "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" ><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > >>On Fri, 21 May 2010 19:17:31 -0700, John Larkin >><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 21 May 2010 18:48:49 -0500, "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >>><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>> >>>>On Fri, 21 May 2010 19:35:38 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >>>><mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>"keithw86(a)gmail.com" wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 21, 10:37 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...(a)On- >>>>>> My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >>>>>> > On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:06:13 -0700, John Larkin >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>>>> > >On Fri, 21 May 2010 10:01:04 -0400, Spehro Pefhany >>>>>> > ><speffS...(a)interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>[1] Try this: get a good gram scale and buy 50 small bags of potato >>>>>> > >>>chips. Note the specified net weight; say 3.5 grams. Weigh the >>>>>> > >>>contents. You'll find weights like 3.52, 3.56, 3.54, rarely as much as >>>>>> > >>>3.6. Weigh one chip; it might average, say, 0.2 grams. So how do they >>>>>> > >>>manage to come so close when the quantization is so large? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>I'm sure they have some kind of crumby solution... >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >You are partially right. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >John >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Small chips ?:-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Salt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nothing wrong with salt. I have to use five to seven times the >>>>>recommended amount to prevent pressure sores. >>>> >>>>There is a lot wrong with salt. Some need more than others, but almost >>>>everyone gets far more than they need. Many get dangerous levels. >>> >>>From the wikipedia page on salt... >>> >>> >>>Meta-analysis in 2009 found that the sodium consumption of 19,151 >>>individuals from 33 countries fit into the narrow range of 2,700 to >>>4,900 mg/day. The small range across many cultures, together with >>>animal studies, suggest that sodium intake is tightly controlled by >>>feedback loops in the body, making recommendations to reduce sodium >>>consumption below 2,700 mg/day potentially futile.[72] >>> >>> >>>...which is interesting. Salt intake is not particularly associated >>>with Western diets. I trust my body to self-regulate basic stuff like >>>this. >> >>What do you mean mot associated with Western diets. We eat a *ton* of salt. >>It's added, in massive quantities, to just about everything. You may be able >>to trust your body to self-regulate, but add a little kidney or heart damage >>and that won't work out so well. > >Well, just now, I'm cooking up a pot of home-made chicken broth, which >includes no salt. It just tastes so much better than the commercial >junk. > >But I think bodies know what they want and don't want. And excrete >whatever they have too much of. Why would my body absorb more salt >than it needs, when it could just let it pass through? If the kidneys or heart are damaged it can't "just pass through".
From: krw on 22 May 2010 01:11 On Fri, 21 May 2010 23:51:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >"krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote: >> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> > >> > Some people think all salt is bad, but it's called 'The salt of life' >> >for good reason. I can post pictures of the scars all over my lower >> >legs, if you don't beleive me. >> >> Vitimins D and E are also essential. They'll kill you too. > > > I take a multi vitamin, and a potassium tablet each day. If it's a >choice between taking a few years off my life from too much sodium, or >dying within a couple years after surgeons slice off body parts from too >little sodium I'd rather die of a heart attack. Are you trying for a DimBulb award? Of course there are reasons to take even dangerous drugs. In the last several years of my mother's life, she was walking a tightrope of heart and kidney drugs. Too much of one caused heart failure, too much of the other caused the kidneys to fail. Both were required to keep her alive. Neither are given to healthy people, for obvious reasons.
From: John Larkin on 22 May 2010 01:12
On Fri, 21 May 2010 23:36:35 -0500, "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >On Fri, 21 May 2010 21:01:34 -0700, John Larkin ><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >>On Fri, 21 May 2010 22:15:21 -0500, "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 21 May 2010 19:17:31 -0700, John Larkin >>><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Fri, 21 May 2010 18:48:49 -0500, "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >>>><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Fri, 21 May 2010 19:35:38 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >>>>><mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>"keithw86(a)gmail.com" wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 21, 10:37 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...(a)On- >>>>>>> My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:06:13 -0700, John Larkin >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > >On Fri, 21 May 2010 10:01:04 -0400, Spehro Pefhany >>>>>>> > ><speffS...(a)interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>[1] Try this: get a good gram scale and buy 50 small bags of potato >>>>>>> > >>>chips. Note the specified net weight; say 3.5 grams. Weigh the >>>>>>> > >>>contents. You'll find weights like 3.52, 3.56, 3.54, rarely as much as >>>>>>> > >>>3.6. Weigh one chip; it might average, say, 0.2 grams. So how do they >>>>>>> > >>>manage to come so close when the quantization is so large? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>I'm sure they have some kind of crumby solution... >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >You are partially right. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >John >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Small chips ?:-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Salt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Nothing wrong with salt. I have to use five to seven times the >>>>>>recommended amount to prevent pressure sores. >>>>> >>>>>There is a lot wrong with salt. Some need more than others, but almost >>>>>everyone gets far more than they need. Many get dangerous levels. >>>> >>>>From the wikipedia page on salt... >>>> >>>> >>>>Meta-analysis in 2009 found that the sodium consumption of 19,151 >>>>individuals from 33 countries fit into the narrow range of 2,700 to >>>>4,900 mg/day. The small range across many cultures, together with >>>>animal studies, suggest that sodium intake is tightly controlled by >>>>feedback loops in the body, making recommendations to reduce sodium >>>>consumption below 2,700 mg/day potentially futile.[72] >>>> >>>> >>>>...which is interesting. Salt intake is not particularly associated >>>>with Western diets. I trust my body to self-regulate basic stuff like >>>>this. >>> >>>What do you mean mot associated with Western diets. We eat a *ton* of salt. >>>It's added, in massive quantities, to just about everything. You may be able >>>to trust your body to self-regulate, but add a little kidney or heart damage >>>and that won't work out so well. >> >>Well, just now, I'm cooking up a pot of home-made chicken broth, which >>includes no salt. It just tastes so much better than the commercial >>junk. >> >>But I think bodies know what they want and don't want. And excrete >>whatever they have too much of. Why would my body absorb more salt >>than it needs, when it could just let it pass through? > >If the kidneys or heart are damaged it can't "just pass through". Why not? Why would my intestines import more salt than my body needs? Bodies have all sorts of excellent regulatory mechanisms. Maybe a lot of salt is bad for people whose systems are damaged, but normal people regulate their appetites and chemistry just fine. We evolved to do that. It wasn't that long ago that doctors told us to eat margarine instead of butter. John |