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From: Michael A. Terrell on 22 May 2010 12:00 Joerg wrote: > > JosephKK wrote: > >> > >>> We have to use it as is (A), fix it (B), replace it (C), other > >>> _______________(D); (A/B/C/D) > > > > Jeorg, please answer the immediately above question. > > > > My answer is "B". And they should let engineers do it because they (or > most of them) know how to fix a broken system. Politicians generally do not. Some politicains were engineers. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
From: Jim Thompson on 22 May 2010 12:04 On Sat, 22 May 2010 08:52:24 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: [snip] >> >> Few cars sold in the US are made in Japan or Korea. >> > >Mine was made in Nagoya. > >[...] My "Japanese" Infiniti was made in Canada :-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | The only thing bipartisan in this country is hypocrisy
From: krw on 22 May 2010 12:05 On Sat, 22 May 2010 11:54:31 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >"krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote: >> >> On Fri, 21 May 2010 23:51:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >"krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote: >> >> >> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Some people think all salt is bad, but it's called 'The salt of life' >> >> >for good reason. I can post pictures of the scars all over my lower >> >> >legs, if you don't beleive me. >> >> >> >> Vitimins D and E are also essential. They'll kill you too. >> > >> > >> > I take a multi vitamin, and a potassium tablet each day. If it's a >> >choice between taking a few years off my life from too much sodium, or >> >dying within a couple years after surgeons slice off body parts from too >> >little sodium I'd rather die of a heart attack. >> >> Are you trying for a DimBulb award? Of course there are reasons to take even >> dangerous drugs. In the last several years of my mother's life, she was >> walking a tightrope of heart and kidney drugs. Too much of one caused heart >> failure, too much of the other caused the kidneys to fail. Both were required >> to keep her alive. Neither are given to healthy people, for obvious reasons. > > > I am on a lot of different medications. Most remove sodium from my >body. Being diabetic doesn't help. Of course you need to replace the sodium but you have to admit that this isn't normal. >There are short phrases mentioning >sodium in the documentation, if you wade through the 20+ pages per drug. >I am replacing what is being lost. Even with the amount I'm using, I >usually can't taste it. If I cut it back, I start getting sores that >won't heal. Go ahead and tell me you wouldn't use the required salt to >maintain your electrolytes. Go ahead and read the thread.
From: krw on 22 May 2010 12:08 On Sat, 22 May 2010 12:00:20 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >Joerg wrote: >> >> JosephKK wrote: >> >> >> >>> We have to use it as is (A), fix it (B), replace it (C), other >> >>> _______________(D); (A/B/C/D) >> > >> > Jeorg, please answer the immediately above question. >> > >> >> My answer is "B". And they should let engineers do it because they (or >> most of them) know how to fix a broken system. Politicians generally do not. > > > Some politicains were engineers. You mean like Jimmy Carter? Yes, one engineer gives all the lawyers in Washington a good run for their money.
From: krw on 22 May 2010 12:10
On Sat, 22 May 2010 08:52:24 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >> On Sat, 22 May 2010 03:08:36 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 21 May 2010 12:45:07 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> JosephKK wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 20 May 2010 07:47:38 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> JosephKK wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 16:30:12 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:27:01 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 09:42:44 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> dagmargoodboat(a)yahoo.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 18, 2:46 pm, Charlie E. <edmond...(a)ieee.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 May 2010 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <major snippage and attributions...> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $1 only buys $0.77 worth of _stuff_ today, say the Fair Tax people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (AIUI). The rest goes to taxes hidden in the item's price. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I tax-deferred the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $1.40, I could buy $1.00 worth of stuff. Any after-tax savings (that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is socked away before the change) gets hammered *twice*. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you had tax-deferred the $1.40, you'd escape the indignities of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old system. That's a windfall (assuming Congress allows it). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Going forward though, with income-taxed money, the $1 we have left >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still buys the same with or without the Fair Tax. $1 with embedded >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax burden hidden inside it, or ($0.77 actual price + $0.23 Fair Tax) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both cost you $1 at the register. No loss of purchasing power. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's the contention, AIUI. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other false assumption is that the price would drop >>>>>>>>>>>>>> instantaneously to $.77 as soon as the tax was passed. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't assume that. There are all sorts of 2nd and 3rd-order >>>>>>>>>>>>> effects. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In reality, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price stays at $1.00, and the retailer uses this 'profit' to pay >>>>>>>>>>>>>> off his loans. Now, as time goes by, prices 'might' drop, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't bet on it. I actually expect prices to rise. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect prices to fall, quickly. Like with gasoline there's a delay >>>>>>>>>>>>> for goods-in-transit, then market forces handle the rest. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why would a Japanese car or Chinese-made flatscreen TV fall in price >>>>>>>>>>>> quickly? >>>>>>>>>>> Because there is more than one manufacturer. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> With consumer electronics the number of manufacturers inside the US is >>>>>>>>>> often zero. >>>>>>>>> I don't see the relevance. >>>>>>>> The relevance is this: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When a group of "experts" claims the price of goods will fall because >>>>>>>> the income tax burden of the labor in a product will drop by 23 percent >>>>>>>> that assumption is flawed for two reasons: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> a. Most consumer products are from China and, consequently, not one iota >>>>>>>> will change in the tax on labor. The only cost that changes is the labor >>>>>>>> associated with the sales and distribution process but that's miniscule. >>>>>>> I don't think so. The final retail distribution is rather expensive and >>>>>>> labor cost driven. Take a look at the volume pricing at Digikey for >>>>>>> example. >>>>>> I am looking at Walmart and Costco. There's nobody working there that'll >>>>>> crack one can of pickles out of a 4-pack. You either buy the 4-pack or >>>>>> you don't have pickles for lunch :-) >>>>>> >>>>> You are confusing unit of issue, intentional recruiting at minimum wage, >>>>> and business designed for those conditions with price per unit and delta >>>>> price per unit versus volume. >>>> >>>> What's confusing about this? Whether it's Walmart or Amazon or whatever, >>>> competition forces such places to live on rather slim margins. The same >>>> is true in the auto business. Yeah, the dealer/middleman might make >>>> $1k-$2k but the other $15k go to Japan or Korea. >> >> Few cars sold in the US are made in Japan or Korea. >> > >Mine was made in Nagoya. Why do you insist that anecdote = data? |