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From: Joerg on 22 May 2010 12:22 Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Joerg wrote: >> JosephKK wrote: >>>>> We have to use it as is (A), fix it (B), replace it (C), other >>>>> _______________(D); (A/B/C/D) >>> Jeorg, please answer the immediately above question. >>> >> My answer is "B". And they should let engineers do it because they (or >> most of them) know how to fix a broken system. Politicians generally do not. > > > Some politicains were engineers. > True, but with engineer I mean active, not "got a degree twentysome years ago and framed it". -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 22 May 2010 12:31 "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote: > > On Sat, 22 May 2010 12:00:20 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > >Joerg wrote: > >> > >> JosephKK wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> We have to use it as is (A), fix it (B), replace it (C), other > >> >>> _______________(D); (A/B/C/D) > >> > > >> > Jeorg, please answer the immediately above question. > >> > > >> > >> My answer is "B". And they should let engineers do it because they (or > >> most of them) know how to fix a broken system. Politicians generally do not. > > > > > > Some politicains were engineers. > > You mean like Jimmy Carter? Yes, one engineer gives all the lawyers in > Washington a good run for their money. No. I was talking about Cliff Sterns. He was an EE in the military. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 22 May 2010 12:32 Jim Thompson wrote: > > On Sat, 22 May 2010 08:52:24 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > > >krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: > [snip] > >> > >> Few cars sold in the US are made in Japan or Korea. > >> > > > >Mine was made in Nagoya. > > > >[...] > > My "Japanese" Infiniti was made in Canada :-) By Mexicans. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
From: Joerg on 22 May 2010 12:38 krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: > On Sat, 22 May 2010 08:52:24 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>> On Sat, 22 May 2010 03:08:36 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 21 May 2010 12:45:07 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> JosephKK wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 20 May 2010 07:47:38 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> JosephKK wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 16:30:12 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:27:01 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 09:42:44 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> dagmargoodboat(a)yahoo.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 18, 2:46 pm, Charlie E. <edmond...(a)ieee.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 May 2010 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <major snippage and attributions...> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $1 only buys $0.77 worth of _stuff_ today, say the Fair Tax people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (AIUI). The rest goes to taxes hidden in the item's price. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I tax-deferred the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $1.40, I could buy $1.00 worth of stuff. Any after-tax savings (that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is socked away before the change) gets hammered *twice*. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you had tax-deferred the $1.40, you'd escape the indignities of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old system. That's a windfall (assuming Congress allows it). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Going forward though, with income-taxed money, the $1 we have left >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still buys the same with or without the Fair Tax. $1 with embedded >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax burden hidden inside it, or ($0.77 actual price + $0.23 Fair Tax) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both cost you $1 at the register. No loss of purchasing power. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's the contention, AIUI. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other false assumption is that the price would drop >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instantaneously to $.77 as soon as the tax was passed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't assume that. There are all sorts of 2nd and 3rd-order >>>>>>>>>>>>>> effects. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In reality, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price stays at $1.00, and the retailer uses this 'profit' to pay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off his loans. Now, as time goes by, prices 'might' drop, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't bet on it. I actually expect prices to rise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect prices to fall, quickly. Like with gasoline there's a delay >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for goods-in-transit, then market forces handle the rest. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why would a Japanese car or Chinese-made flatscreen TV fall in price >>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly? >>>>>>>>>>>> Because there is more than one manufacturer. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> With consumer electronics the number of manufacturers inside the US is >>>>>>>>>>> often zero. >>>>>>>>>> I don't see the relevance. >>>>>>>>> The relevance is this: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When a group of "experts" claims the price of goods will fall because >>>>>>>>> the income tax burden of the labor in a product will drop by 23 percent >>>>>>>>> that assumption is flawed for two reasons: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> a. Most consumer products are from China and, consequently, not one iota >>>>>>>>> will change in the tax on labor. The only cost that changes is the labor >>>>>>>>> associated with the sales and distribution process but that's miniscule. >>>>>>>> I don't think so. The final retail distribution is rather expensive and >>>>>>>> labor cost driven. Take a look at the volume pricing at Digikey for >>>>>>>> example. >>>>>>> I am looking at Walmart and Costco. There's nobody working there that'll >>>>>>> crack one can of pickles out of a 4-pack. You either buy the 4-pack or >>>>>>> you don't have pickles for lunch :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>> You are confusing unit of issue, intentional recruiting at minimum wage, >>>>>> and business designed for those conditions with price per unit and delta >>>>>> price per unit versus volume. >>>>> What's confusing about this? Whether it's Walmart or Amazon or whatever, >>>>> competition forces such places to live on rather slim margins. The same >>>>> is true in the auto business. Yeah, the dealer/middleman might make >>>>> $1k-$2k but the other $15k go to Japan or Korea. >>> Few cars sold in the US are made in Japan or Korea. >>> >> Mine was made in Nagoya. > > Why do you insist that anecdote = data? Why do you think the NUMMI plant was shut down? It might get a little glimmer of hope now that Tesla wants to build electric cars there in a little corner of that huge plant. But Toyota doesn't build there anymore, that's now history. Oh, and AFAIK many of the Dogde trucks are made in Mexiko. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 22 May 2010 12:38
"krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote: > > On Sat, 22 May 2010 11:54:31 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > >"krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, 21 May 2010 23:51:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" > >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >"krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Some people think all salt is bad, but it's called 'The salt of life' > >> >> >for good reason. I can post pictures of the scars all over my lower > >> >> >legs, if you don't beleive me. > >> >> > >> >> Vitimins D and E are also essential. They'll kill you too. > >> > > >> > > >> > I take a multi vitamin, and a potassium tablet each day. If it's a > >> >choice between taking a few years off my life from too much sodium, or > >> >dying within a couple years after surgeons slice off body parts from too > >> >little sodium I'd rather die of a heart attack. > >> > >> Are you trying for a DimBulb award? Of course there are reasons to take even > >> dangerous drugs. In the last several years of my mother's life, she was > >> walking a tightrope of heart and kidney drugs. Too much of one caused heart > >> failure, too much of the other caused the kidneys to fail. Both were required > >> to keep her alive. Neither are given to healthy people, for obvious reasons. > > > > > > I am on a lot of different medications. Most remove sodium from my > >body. Being diabetic doesn't help. > > Of course you need to replace the sodium but you have to admit that this isn't > normal. According to the doctors I had, I was told I wasn't to replace the lost sodium. That was my point. Like I said, I can post some photos of the almost square foot of scar tissue on my legs. > >There are short phrases mentioning > >sodium in the documentation, if you wade through the 20+ pages per drug. > >I am replacing what is being lost. Even with the amount I'm using, I > >usually can't taste it. If I cut it back, I start getting sores that > >won't heal. Go ahead and tell me you wouldn't use the required salt to > >maintain your electrolytes. > > Go ahead and read the thread. I have read it. I know my body, and that it needs more salt than most people. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. |