From: Doc O'Leary on
In article <110220101641108551%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>,
nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <droleary.usenet-4D7FD4.12591211022010(a)news.twtelecom.net>,
> Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet(a)1q2010.subsume.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > since a computer is not necessary for any shipping ipod, iphone or
> > > > > ipod
> > > > > touch, other than a one time setup,
> > > >
> > > > Yes, yes . . . except for when it is *necessary* to use a computer to
> > > > manage an Apple device, a computer is totally unnecessary!
> > >
> > > that's like saying an auto mechanic is required to use a car because it
> > > might need a repair once in a while.
> >
> > Yes, exactly right. How do you not see you're supporting my point? Oil
> > changes are necessary to use a car.
>
> no they're not. oil changes are necessary to make it last longer. with
> synthetic oils, the oil does not need to be changed very often at all.

Yes, yes . . . except for when it is *necessary* to change the oil to
keep a car running smoothly, oil changes are totally unnecessary!

You are showing unbelievable levels of intellectual dishonesty here. I
think I'm done with you, too.

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From: Doc O'Leary on
In article <hl04o6$dft$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
Wes Groleau <Groleau+news(a)FreeShell.org> wrote:

> nospam wrote:
> > <Groleau+news(a)FreeShell.org> wrote:
> >> For that matter, I did not need any kind of "activation"
> >> to start using my iPod.
> >
> > regular ipods don't. ipod touch & iphone (and presumably the ipad) do.
>
> Sigh. OK, here's my clarification:
>
> I did not need any kind of "activation"
> to start using my eight Gig iPod touch.

But I think that's missing the issue in the same way a statement like "I
did not need any kind of "oil" to start driving my new car" does. It's
about whether something (a computer, in the case of these touch devices)
is designed in as a necessary part of long-term ownership. So the
question is more to whether you can install a system update, or
reinstall the OS from scratch, without any extras. I can do so for a
Mac, but I don't believe it is possible with the current touch devices,
and *nobody* here has any idea if the iPad improves the situation.

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Jim Glidewell <jim_glidewell(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> A printer could be hooked to the USB port.

An iPad does not have a USB port.

Or do you think of the camera connection kit with a 30-pin to usb
adaptor?

It might even be used to tethering with an iPhone in order to get access
to the 3G net and GPS from an iPad without 3G.
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From: Wes Groleau on
Doc O'Leary wrote:
> question is more to whether you can install a system update, or
> reinstall the OS from scratch, without any extras. I can do so for a
> Mac, but I don't believe it is possible with the current touch devices,

It isn't

> and *nobody* here has any idea if the iPad improves the situation.

But one person seems obsessed with persuading us it won't.

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From: Doc O'Leary on
In article <hlagrb$6ru$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
Wes Groleau <Groleau+news(a)FreeShell.org> wrote:

> Doc O'Leary wrote:
> > question is more to whether you can install a system update, or
> > reinstall the OS from scratch, without any extras. I can do so for a
> > Mac, but I don't believe it is possible with the current touch devices,
>
> It isn't
>
> > and *nobody* here has any idea if the iPad improves the situation.
>
> But one person seems obsessed with persuading us it won't.

No, the only thing I'm obsessed with is critical thinking and an
attenuation of the hype. As I have stated many times, I don't know what
the iPad will do beyond what Apple statements point to. But at least
that's evidence to start from rather than the wild speculation by some
people of what is merely *possible*.

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