From: nospam on
In article <droleary.usenet-51AB30.12274307022010(a)news.twtelecom.net>,
Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet(a)1q2010.subsume.com> wrote:

> Yes, it *is* the same for all intents and purposes. If you can do
> everything you need with a $500 iPad, Apple loses out on selling you a
> $1000+ Mac.

and if you can do everything you need with a $500 mini apple loses out
on selling you a more expensive model.
From: Larry Gusaas on
On 2010/02/07 12:27 PM Doc O'Leary wrote:

> While they
> may *eventually* shift away from needing a computer to use an iPad, I
> see no indication that it will be introduced without *key* integration
> for the millions of users who are already using desktop computers for
> everything they do.


I have not seen anything in any of Apple's documentation saying you need
a another computer in order to use an iPad.

> I'm still waiting for you to point to *anything* from Apple to support
> your point. Idle speculation is tiresome.

You made the statement "you *need* a computer already to use an iPad".
You have not provided anything from Apple to support that statement. It
is your responsibility to provide facts to support your statement. It is
not the responsibility of others to disprove your idle speculation.

As your said, idle speculation is tiresome, and your speculation has
become very tiresome.

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From: Jim Gibson on
In article <hknl7h$810$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Larry Gusaas
<larry.gusaas(a)gmail.com> wrote:


> I have not seen anything in any of Apple's documentation saying you need
> a another computer in order to use an iPad.

The Technical Specifications page <http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/>
lists Mac and Windows system requirements, and includes iTunes Store
account. I think that it is clear that while you can use an iPad
without having another computer, normal usage by most people will
involve synching the iPad with a Mac, probably to download music,
videos, calendars, contacts, and documents from the computer to the
iPad. That is certainly how I anticipate using my iPad.

--
Jim Gibson
From: Doc O'Leary on
In article <hknl7h$810$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2010/02/07 12:27 PM Doc O'Leary wrote:
>
> > While they
> > may *eventually* shift away from needing a computer to use an iPad, I
> > see no indication that it will be introduced without *key* integration
> > for the millions of users who are already using desktop computers for
> > everything they do.
>
>
> I have not seen anything in any of Apple's documentation saying you need
> a another computer in order to use an iPad.

I have not seen anything from NASA saying there aren't orbital teapots.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot>

Like many here, you don't seem to be able to reason properly. The
burden of proof remains on *you* to provide evidence to support your
statement. I'm am simply taking the opposing position *because* you're
failing to do that, and I have already listed evidence that points more
towards a computer being necessary to properly use an iPad.

> > I'm still waiting for you to point to *anything* from Apple to support
> > your point. Idle speculation is tiresome.
>
> You made the statement "you *need* a computer already to use an iPad".
> You have not provided anything from Apple to support that statement. It
> is your responsibility to provide facts to support your statement. It is
> not the responsibility of others to disprove your idle speculation.

I have provided them, yet you conveniently choose not to quote them. Go
back and respond to all my "because" points and we can go on from there.
Look, I'll even make it easy for you to track them down:

<droleary.usenet-19F7E4.12395801022010(a)news.twtelecom.net>
<droleary.usenet-B047A0.12092201022010(a)news.twtelecom.net>

> As your said, idle speculation is tiresome, and your speculation has
> become very tiresome.

It's cute that you think parroting my own words is all it takes to form
a solid argument.

Again, all you need to do to prove me wrong is show *one* bit of
evidence from Apple indicating that no computer is necessary for normal
iPad ownership. Just one. I'll freely admit to being wrong if you can
do that, because I'm a reasonable person. Please show me you're a
reasonable person, too. Just one.

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From: Doc O'Leary on
In article <michelle-E399BA.14445307022010(a)nothing.attdns.com>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote:

> Apple would rather sell you a $500 computer or iPad than not sell you
> anything at all because you can't afford anything more expensive.

That is simply not true. Apple one of the few computer companies that
doesn't rush to meet the needs the the lowest common denominator. They
*don't* shovel out $500 systems like the Dells of the world do. Even
for the iPad there was an expectation that it would be *much* more
expensive than it was. There is plenty of room to speculate on what
that all means, but there is no indication whatsoever from Apple that it
means you won't need a computer to use an iPad. You might *like* for
that to be the case, even *I* find the prospect interesting, but nothing
really points to it. Why is it so hard to admit that?

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