From: nospam on
In article <michelle-442158.12310708022010(a)nothing.attdns.com>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote:

> The only "evidence" you have listed is that a computer is necessary for the
> iPods and iPhones; in other words, "That's the way it's been done before."

other than initial activation (which can be done in a store), there is
no need for a computer in order to use an ipod or iphone.

although it might be easier to load it up with music and movies from a
computer than buying it on the device itself, a computer is not
*required* to do that. it's also possible that the user doesn't care
about either of those, and wants it just for the apps, which also can
be downloaded on the device itself.

even the older ipods do not require a computer, other than a one time
setup. after that, they don't need anything but a charging cable.
From: Charles on
In article <080220101305464692%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote:

> other than initial activation (which can be done in a store), there is
> no need for a computer in order to use an ipod or iphone.

You are right about using it but you also would need a computer to
install operating system and security updates. Also to back up and
restore. I have had to restore my iphone twice.

--
Charles
From: nospam on
In article <080220101615393313%fort514(a)mac.com>, Charles
<fort514(a)mac.com> wrote:

> > other than initial activation (which can be done in a store), there is
> > no need for a computer in order to use an ipod or iphone.
>
> You are right about using it but you also would need a computer to
> install operating system and security updates.

although it's nice to be up to date, it's not *required*.

> Also to back up and
> restore. I have had to restore my iphone twice.

backing up is also nice, but optional. a lot of people don't bother
doing it with their desktop computer, why is an ipod any different?

and what did you do that required it to be restored??
From: Charles on
In article <080220101324121057%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote:

> and what did you do that required it to be restored??

I did not do anything to it. The first time I was updating to an
updated version of the OS. It failed and hosed the phone. The second
time it got stuck on a backup. After about nine hours of being stalled
I called Apple for support. After they walked me through a bunch of
that had no effect they had me do a restore.

--
Charles
From: nospam on
In article <080220101634582907%fort514(a)mac.com>, Charles
<fort514(a)mac.com> wrote:

> > and what did you do that required it to be restored??
>
> I did not do anything to it. The first time I was updating to an
> updated version of the OS. It failed and hosed the phone. The second
> time it got stuck on a backup. After about nine hours of being stalled
> I called Apple for support. After they walked me through a bunch of
> that had no effect they had me do a restore.

both instances you were using a computer. that would be an issue for
someone who wasn't using it with a computer.