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From: Wes Groleau on 11 Feb 2010 00:37 Michelle Steiner wrote: > Correction: the iPhone includes [a power adapter]. Apparently the Touch doesn't. But it can use them and they are available. -- Wes Groleau "Ideas are more powerful than guns, We would not let our enemies have guns; why should we let them have ideas?" -- Jozef Stalin
From: Steve Hix on 11 Feb 2010 02:31 In article <hl04o6$dft$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Wes Groleau <Groleau+news(a)FreeShell.org> wrote: > nospam wrote: > > <Groleau+news(a)FreeShell.org> wrote: > >> For that matter, I did not need any kind of "activation" > >> to start using my iPod. > > > > regular ipods don't. ipod touch & iphone (and presumably the ipad) do. > > Sigh. OK, here's my clarification: > > I did not need any kind of "activation" > to start using my eight Gig iPod touch. Nor did our iPod Touches.
From: Doc O'Leary on 11 Feb 2010 13:36 In article <hkv37f$omf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 2010/02/10 12:29 PM Doc O'Leary wrote: > > And, for the last time, it is downright stupid to yammer on about how a > > *mobile* device doesn't require a computer to*use* it. Of course it > > doesn't; it wouldn't be much of a mobile device if it did! > > Wow! You are actually reversing what you have said previously. No, I simply used "use" in a previous context that gives it a meaning that differs from the use of "use" in your context. Or perhaps I've misread your context. See below. > You previously stated "As I said, you *need* a computer already to use > an iPad". Now you are saying "it is downright stupid to yammer on about > how a *mobile* device doesn't require a computer to *use* it". I guess > you are calling yourself stupid. Yes, I am. In fact, I willingly call myself Impossibly Stupid: http://www.impossiblystupid.com/ Doing so allows me to gracefully admit an error and correct myself. What do you think is a better position? What do you call yourself? > > That's not the issue. The issue is whether or not the unit was designed to > > be > > fully functional as a standalone unit. > > No. You stated "As I said, you *need* a computer already to use an > iPad". Now you are changing your opinion. Day-to-day "use" of an iPad, or any mobile device, is a *given* to not need a computer (provided you accept the inherent limitations of the device). I have never said that would not be the case, but my reading of your message was that *that* was what you were talking about. Lifetime ownership "use" is what I maintain you people have not provided evidence of Apple having designed for a standalone iPad. Until you do provide such evidence, the overwhelming evidence that *does* exist (based on iPad tech specs and the design of the iPod touch/iPhone) points to a high likelihood that Apple expects iPad owners to also be Mac or PC owners. Speculation of how things *could* be done without a computer is irrelevant. I mean, hell, they wouldn't even need to screw around with a Dock connector if they wanted to send the message that a computer wasn't required for an iPad. That's not what I'm seeing, and you have no reason to see differently. I'm still waiting for some solid evidence that you can cradle-to-grave an iPad perfectly fine, fit to purpose, without ever syncing it with a computer. If you can't supply it, you've adopted an unreasonable position. I can't imagine why, though. What investment do you have in needing to believe at this particular instant that you'll be able to have an iPad without needing a computer? Why feverishly defend it *now*, in the absence of any evidence, when you can just wait for a bit over a month and see what's what? -- My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, ono.com, and probably your server, too.
From: Doc O'Leary on 11 Feb 2010 13:59 In article <100220101217444798%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <droleary.usenet-05DD2A.12104210022010(a)news.twtelecom.net>, > Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet(a)1q2010.subsume.com> wrote: > > > > since a computer is not necessary for any shipping ipod, iphone or ipod > > > touch, other than a one time setup, > > > > Yes, yes . . . except for when it is *necessary* to use a computer to > > manage an Apple device, a computer is totally unnecessary! > > that's like saying an auto mechanic is required to use a car because it > might need a repair once in a while. Yes, exactly right. How do you not see you're supporting my point? Oil changes are necessary to use a car. Insurance is necessary to use a car. There are *many* things that are involved in calculating the total cost of ownership for a product. > the ipod family does *not* require anything to be used, other than a > one time setup. You continue to make claims without supporting evidence. *Show* me where you gained that knowledge from, because I'm not seeing any statement from Apple saying that you can eBay your computer after you get an iPad. Just because *some* people choose to never update or backup their iPod touch, just like *some* people never bother to service their car in a timely manner, doesn't mean it was designed to function that way. > > > it's reasonable to conclude that > > > the ipad will be the same. > > > > Thank you for supporting my point. > > i don't. You do, but you see unwilling to admit it for some reason. Is it really so great a cost to say "Yeah, until Apple indicates otherwise, you're probably going to need a computer to support the new iPad"? > > > > Look, I'll even help you out because I'm such a standup guy: On the > > > > iPad spec page Apple list the 10W USB Power Adapter as included. The > > > > smaller touch devices only included a dock connector, so clearly Apple > > > > envisions some significantly more detached usage for the iPad. > > > > > > or that the battery is bigger and 2.5 watts from a usb port is > > > insufficient. > > > > Please provide evidence to support your claim. I don't see where Apple > > directly states the power draw is more than USB can supply. > > why provide a 10 watt adapter if it is only going to use 2.5 watts? the > iphone adapter is 5 watts and charges faster on the adapter than off > usb. Of course it'll charge faster if it has a more powerful adaptor. Having 10W also allows you to fully *use* the iPad while it charges in a timely manner. I'm not even claiming to know how an iPad could/would function when docked. My point is that Apple *directly states* "The iPad Dock lets you dock and charge iPad." That contradicts your statement, and is just another case of you ignoring easy to find evidence. Again, you people need to *start* with the evidence and *then* come to a conclusion based on it. -- My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, ono.com, and probably your server, too.
From: nospam on 11 Feb 2010 19:41
In article <droleary.usenet-4D7FD4.12591211022010(a)news.twtelecom.net>, Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet(a)1q2010.subsume.com> wrote: > > > > since a computer is not necessary for any shipping ipod, iphone or ipod > > > > touch, other than a one time setup, > > > > > > Yes, yes . . . except for when it is *necessary* to use a computer to > > > manage an Apple device, a computer is totally unnecessary! > > > > that's like saying an auto mechanic is required to use a car because it > > might need a repair once in a while. > > Yes, exactly right. How do you not see you're supporting my point? Oil > changes are necessary to use a car. no they're not. oil changes are necessary to make it last longer. with synthetic oils, the oil does not need to be changed very often at all. > Insurance is necessary to use a car. no it's not. millions of people drive without insurance every day, that's why there is an uninsured driver protection clause. if you don't get into an accident or get pulled over, nobody will ever know. > There are *many* things that are involved in calculating the total > cost of ownership for a product. nobody said otherwise. > > the ipod family does *not* require anything to be used, other than a > > one time setup. > > You continue to make claims without supporting evidence. *Show* me > where you gained that knowledge from, because I'm not seeing any > statement from Apple saying that you can eBay your computer after you > get an iPad. straw man. > Just because *some* people choose to never update or > backup their iPod touch, just like *some* people never bother to service > their car in a timely manner, doesn't mean it was designed to function > that way. but it *does* function that way. using an ipad without another computer may not be the best way to use it and it's certainly limiting, but it works. > > why provide a 10 watt adapter if it is only going to use 2.5 watts? the > > iphone adapter is 5 watts and charges faster on the adapter than off > > usb. > > Of course it'll charge faster if it has a more powerful adaptor. exactly. > Having > 10W also allows you to fully *use* the iPad while it charges in a timely > manner. I'm not even claiming to know how an iPad could/would function > when docked. My point is that Apple *directly states* "The iPad Dock > lets you dock and charge iPad." That contradicts your statement, and is > just another case of you ignoring easy to find evidence. it doesn't contradict anything i've said. > Again, you > people need to *start* with the evidence and *then* come to a conclusion > based on it. i did. |