iTunes 9.1.1 fixes Voiceover
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From: Rowland McDonnell on 29 Apr 2010 15:18 Peter Ceresole <peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote: > James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote: > > > Don't see why, that's like saying VO Reads the clock in the menubar but > > I can still see it. Someone will use the lyrics functionality i'm sure. > > Surely the point about lyrics in iTunes is that you *hear* them, pretty > well by definition? Surely the point about songs is that you can't hear all the lyrics in all songs perfectly clearly? Surely anyone who's actually *listened* to songs would know this? Can *YOU* figure out the words to anyone's version of Tail Taddle, for example? Or Monteverdi's Vespers of 1610? I can't manage either and I did learn a little Latin at school; but Classical, not Church Latin. Latin as sung is problematic... Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Peter Ceresole on 29 Apr 2010 16:35 Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > Surely the point about songs is that you can't hear all the lyrics in > all songs perfectly clearly? > > Surely anyone who's actually *listened* to songs would know this? > > Can *YOU* figure out the words to anyone's version of Tail Taddle, for > example? But none of it matters. Words and music work together. If I can't understand the lyrics, it never borthers me. -- Peter
From: James Jolley on 29 Apr 2010 16:39 On 2010-04-29 21:35:15 +0100, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) said: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > >> Surely the point about songs is that you can't hear all the lyrics in >> all songs perfectly clearly? >> >> Surely anyone who's actually *listened* to songs would know this? >> >> Can *YOU* figure out the words to anyone's version of Tail Taddle, for >> example? > > But none of it matters. > > Words and music work together. If I can't understand the lyrics, it > never borthers me. I see this point as well. It's rhythm that matters isn't it.
From: Phil Taylor on 29 Apr 2010 19:22 In article <1jhqblj.bsro75iu9z8zN%peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk>, Peter Ceresole <peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > Surely the point about songs is that you can't hear all the lyrics in > > all songs perfectly clearly? > > > > Surely anyone who's actually *listened* to songs would know this? > > > > Can *YOU* figure out the words to anyone's version of Tail Taddle, for > > example? > > But none of it matters. > > Words and music work together. If I can't understand the lyrics, it > never borthers me. It depends what kind of music is involved. In opera the singer's vocal style is perfectly honed to produce accurate pitch, huge volume and enormous dynamic range all at the expense of intelligibility. Even operas in English need surtitles if you want to understand the lyrics. At the other end of the scale, a traditional ballad singer is telling a story which must be followed by the audience, and the music must never interfere with this, to the extent that in some traditions the ballad was recited and the music dispensed with entirely. Phil Taylor
From: Peter Ceresole on 29 Apr 2010 19:24
James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote: > > Words and music work together. If I can't understand the lyrics, it > > never borthers me. > > I see this point as well. It's rhythm that matters isn't it. The rhythm of the words, yes. And the tune; the whole thing. -- Peter |