From: Rowland McDonnell on
Phil Taylor <nothere(a)all.invalid> wrote:

> Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Phil Taylor <nothere(a)all.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > And the Bonny Black Hare is a trivial piece from the musical point of
> > > > > view, but screamingly funny if you listen to the words (assuming that
> > > > > you laugh at R4 filth).
> > > >
> > > > Trivial? It's in 14/8 time.
> > >
> > > Umm. Really? Blimey. Okay, so it's one of those deceptive pieces.
> > > Bloody Swarb, keeps doing that kind of thing.
> > >
> > > 14/8 time? I mean, what? Who came up with that one, and why????
> > >
> > > 14/8. Hmm. That's like 7/4 time and I've never seen that either.
> > >
> > > I'm sure I'd be screaming `Where's the missing beat gone?' if I had to
> > > play it...
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > Nah, just listened to it again (more than one version).
> >
> > I can't beat out the time on it *at all*. Can't get a handle.
>
> The fourteen beats are divided up into groups of 3,2,3,3,3, with the
> first beat of each group being a strong one. Try counting ONE two
> three, ONE two, ONE two three, ONE two three, ONE two three.

Ah! Oohhhh boy. No wonder I couldn't twig it. Ta.

> Is it
> just an odd coincidence that the third word of the song is "fourteen"?

`...th'

The scansion requires two syllables at that point - fourteenth,
fifteeth, thirteenth, any of those would do just as well with pretty
much the same sound as well as not mucking up the rhythm.

So I suspect that it's `fourteenth' for the time signature and no
co-incidence at all.

> Such time signatures are common in Indian music. I think that's
> uniquely complex for an English folk song though.

<snort> Uniquely complex? Nah - /unusually/ complex, yeah, but there's
more than the one like it, I'll bet.

There's nothing in folk music that's unique - can't be, kind of by
definition. Just 'cos we don't know about it doesn't mean it's not
existed (almost all folk music has been lost, again kind of by
definition).

Rowland.

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From: Rowland McDonnell on
Phil Taylor <nothere(a)all.invalid> wrote:

[snip]

> Translation here:
>
> http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=117836
>
> Actually it's all meaningful. No nonsense at all!

Hmm - and the version I've got my the Ian Campbell Folk Group (and
another by Swarb and Martin UsualSuspect) /seems/ to my ears to be using
different verses. Same chorus.

Tricky to figure out, mind you.

Rowland.

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From: Rowland McDonnell on
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:

> Phil Taylor <nothere(a)all.invalid> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Translation here:
> >
> > http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=117836
> >
> > Actually it's all meaningful. No nonsense at all!
>
> Hmm - and the version I've got my the Ian Campbell Folk Group

[snip]

Lili Marlene - with different words:

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE5Cgvc3JqU>

Rowland.

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From: Woody on
Phil Taylor <nothere(a)all.invalid> wrote:

> In article
> <1jhtikv.1tnztbt1wemrurN%real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid>,
> Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
>
> > And the Bonny Black Hare is a trivial piece from the musical point of
> > view, but screamingly funny if you listen to the words (assuming that
> > you laugh at R4 filth).
>
> Trivial? It's in 14/8 time. Have you ever tried to sing it?

Yes. it is fairly easy


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From: zoara on
Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote:
> On 2010-04-28, Rowland McDonnell
> <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> > Does VO read out lyrics?
> >>
> >> If it does, isn't that almost a definition of a redundant
> > > capability?
> >
> > That ability is useful since many song lyrics are impossible to make
> > out
> > when playing back a song.
>
> For quite a long time I thought a lyric in "Bohemian Rhapsody" was
> 'Beelzebub has the Devil for a sideboard'.

You aren't the only one. That's exactly what I heard too.

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