From: Rowland McDonnell on
Phil Taylor <nothere(a)all.invalid> wrote:

> Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
>
> > And the Bonny Black Hare is a trivial piece from the musical point of
> > view, but screamingly funny if you listen to the words (assuming that
> > you laugh at R4 filth).
>
> Trivial? It's in 14/8 time.

Umm. Really? Blimey. Okay, so it's one of those deceptive pieces.
Bloody Swarb, keeps doing that kind of thing.

14/8 time? I mean, what? Who came up with that one, and why????

14/8. Hmm. That's like 7/4 time and I've never seen that either.

I'm sure I'd be screaming `Where's the missing beat gone?' if I had to
play it...

> Have you ever tried to sing it?

Me? Oh, I can't sing as such. But I don't see that the timing would be
a problem in that case.

Rowland.
(utterly incapable of singing in tune)

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From: Rowland McDonnell on
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:

> Phil Taylor <nothere(a)all.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > And the Bonny Black Hare is a trivial piece from the musical point of
> > > view, but screamingly funny if you listen to the words (assuming that
> > > you laugh at R4 filth).
> >
> > Trivial? It's in 14/8 time.
>
> Umm. Really? Blimey. Okay, so it's one of those deceptive pieces.
> Bloody Swarb, keeps doing that kind of thing.
>
> 14/8 time? I mean, what? Who came up with that one, and why????
>
> 14/8. Hmm. That's like 7/4 time and I've never seen that either.
>
> I'm sure I'd be screaming `Where's the missing beat gone?' if I had to
> play it...

[snip]

Nah, just listened to it again (more than one version).

I can't beat out the time on it *at all*. Can't get a handle.

Rowland.

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From: Rowland McDonnell on
Phil Taylor <nothere(a)all.invalid> wrote:

> Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Phil Taylor <nothere(a)all.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Can *YOU* figure out the words to anyone's version of Tail Taddle, for
> > > > example?
> > >
> > > Sure. It helps if you understand Scots, and you've got drunk with
> > > Hamish Henderson a few times.
> > >
> > > Mostly it's utterly filthy, and the lines which aren't are nonsense
> > > syllables put in to make it scan.
> >
> > Umm.
> >
> > The one version by a Scottish group that I've got is not sufficiently
> > Scottish sounding for comprehension to be impeded by accent. Or so it
> > sounds to my ears...
> >
> > But I hadn't realised that it was filthy - I thought it was ALL
> > nonsense.
>
> Translation here:
>
> http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=117836
>
> Actually it's all meaningful. No nonsense at all!

.... and I've found the reason I've not been able to find anything about
it from my previous Web searches.

It seems that about the only place that it's called Tail Taddle is the
CD boxes I've got. Everyone else seems to think it's called Tail
Toddle.

To which I say `Pfft, who cares about that sort of minor variation?' -
but computers are rather literally minded, aren't they?

Rowland.

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From: James Jolley on
On 2010-05-01 16:49:11 +0100,
real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) said:

> Phil Taylor <nothere(a)all.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> And the Bonny Black Hare is a trivial piece from the musical point of
>>> view, but screamingly funny if you listen to the words (assuming that
>>> you laugh at R4 filth).
>>
>> Trivial? It's in 14/8 time.
>
> Umm. Really? Blimey. Okay, so it's one of those deceptive pieces.
> Bloody Swarb, keeps doing that kind of thing.
>
> 14/8 time? I mean, what? Who came up with that one, and why????
>
> 14/8. Hmm. That's like 7/4 time and I've never seen that either.
>
> I'm sure I'd be screaming `Where's the missing beat gone?' if I had to
> play it...
>
>> Have you ever tried to sing it?
>
> Me? Oh, I can't sing as such. But I don't see that the timing would be
> a problem in that case.
>
> Rowland.
> (utterly incapable of singing in tune)

Tubular bells is in 7/4, the theme they used in the exorcist I think.

From: Phil Taylor on
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<1jhto46.1kfwhftn1g1xjN%real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid>,
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:

> Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Phil Taylor <nothere(a)all.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > And the Bonny Black Hare is a trivial piece from the musical point of
> > > > view, but screamingly funny if you listen to the words (assuming that
> > > > you laugh at R4 filth).
> > >
> > > Trivial? It's in 14/8 time.
> >
> > Umm. Really? Blimey. Okay, so it's one of those deceptive pieces.
> > Bloody Swarb, keeps doing that kind of thing.
> >
> > 14/8 time? I mean, what? Who came up with that one, and why????
> >
> > 14/8. Hmm. That's like 7/4 time and I've never seen that either.
> >
> > I'm sure I'd be screaming `Where's the missing beat gone?' if I had to
> > play it...
>
> [snip]
>
> Nah, just listened to it again (more than one version).
>
> I can't beat out the time on it *at all*. Can't get a handle.

The fourteen beats are divided up into groups of 3,2,3,3,3, with the
first beat of each group being a strong one. Try counting ONE two
three, ONE two, ONE two three, ONE two three, ONE two three. Is it
just an odd coincidence that the third word of the song is "fourteen"?

Such time signatures are common in Indian music. I think that's
uniquely complex for an English folk song though.

Phil Taylor