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From: Carlos on 17 Jan 2010 19:14
Alsenor,
So you do have Acronis.
Can it accomplish the shrinking thingie?
Carlos

"Alsenor" wrote:

> Godmode actually opens diskmgmt.msc.
> I thought that it would be the most reliable method, and it seems to work
> much faster than my Acronis app.
>
> "Carlos" <Carlos(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E192BC65-921F-49B4-A8A1-0A4DEADFA526(a)microsoft.com...
> > Alsenor,
> > You mentioned "godmode" for managing new partitions.
> > Didn't you try the normal way, i.e., Disk Management?
> > Run it with Windows Key + R, diskmgmt.msc, then press ENTER.
> > Check if you can shrink your partition from there.
> > Carlos
> >
> > "Alsenor" wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, I did defrag it as well, thinking of that reason.
> >> Then I ran the chkdsk.
> >> Still wants to be 300 GB!
> >>
> >> "Carlos" <Carlos(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:C61213E5-0226-44D3-A2D1-FE3B1007D86E(a)microsoft.com...
> >> > Alsenor,
> >> > Defragment your partition C: before trying to shrink it.
> >> > There may be at least a piece of a file near the "outer" boundaries
> >> > (close
> >> > to the 300GB) that needs to be relocated by defrag, closer to the
> >> > beginning
> >> > of the partition.
> >> > Once the partition is defragged (packed more densely) there should be
> >> > more
> >> > room for defragging.
> >> > Carlos
> >> > P.S.: I don't recommend installing XP after 7 because XP destroys its
> >> > boot
> >> > loader.
> >> > It is risky, it can be fixed, but definitely not a practice for the
> >> > normal
> >> > user.
> >> >
> >> > "Alsenor" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Charlie, I bought a new HP with W7 installed. Unfortunately they
> >> >> don't
> >> >> give
> >> >> you an installation CD with it any longer, nor does a home made
> >> >> "rescue
> >> >> CD"
> >> >> include the "factory reset" option we had in Vista.
> >> >> So I am a bit hesitant to abandon my original installation!
> >> >> All I dared do so far was create a few partitions via "godmode", but
> >> >> even
> >> >> that doesn't look exactly he way I want it.
> >> >> I want to make the partitions just large enough to hold the 2
> >> >> operating
> >> >> systems, and use the rest of the space for "apps" and "docs"
> >> >> partitions.
> >> >> However, although the C partition (where W7 resides) is more than 88%
> >> >> free
> >> >> space, it doesn't let me shrink it to less than 300 GB. Why?
> >> >> I even ran a chkdsk on it, which made no difference.
> >> >> I appreciate your help!
> >> >> Al.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
> >> >> message
> >> >> news:uwNQpF0lKHA.5656(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > Install XP first. Then Install Win7 as a New Install, (custom) not
> >> >> > an
> >> >> > upgrade. It will create the necessary settings to enable dual boot.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Charlie.
> >> >> > http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Alsenor" <alsenor(a)ggholiday.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:%23WvLNRzlKHA.2132(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> Can anyone give me a solid guide to creating a multi-boot drive?
> >> >> >> I have partitioned my HD and would like to choose between W 7 and
> >> >> >> XP.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> .
> >> >>
> >> .
> >>
> .
>
From: Kue2 on 17 Jan 2010 20:18
Use the bootable media disk.

"Alsenor" <alsenor(a)ggholiday.com> wrote in message
news:uNWU748lKHA.2188(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Assuming you are talking about "Acronis Disk Director 2010" - it just told
> me that it is incompatible with W7 home premium.
>
> "Tom" <noway(a)nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:ul00Oj8lKHA.1648(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> I would recommend BootIt Next Generation over Acronis, it is much
>> cheaper, easier to use and it is almost fool-proof to use.
>>
>> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootit-next-generation.htm
>>
>> "Kue2" <Kue2(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ub2Aih7lKHA.2188(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> U maybe need a third party disk management program
>>> such as Acronis.
>>> www.Acronis.com
>>> http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/
>>> to do what u want to do, as far as partitioning the hard-drive.
>>> To add XP after Windows 7 is installed is considered a high level
>>> task at the least. I would not recommend unless you are very tech savvy.
>>> You will need to have a licensed copy of XP(install disk) & also a
>>> licensed
>>> copy of Windows 7 (install disk). If you are going to have a duel boot
>>> have
>>> XP-32 bit, keep in mine you will loose your restore points whenever you
>>> duel boot.
>>>
>>> "Alsenor" <alsenor(a)ggholiday.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eepOJC7lKHA.5656(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Yes, I did defrag it as well, thinking of that reason.
>>>> Then I ran the chkdsk.
>>>> Still wants to be 300 GB!
>>>>
>>>> "Carlos" <Carlos(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:C61213E5-0226-44D3-A2D1-FE3B1007D86E(a)microsoft.com...
>>>>> Alsenor,
>>>>> Defragment your partition C: before trying to shrink it.
>>>>> There may be at least a piece of a file near the "outer" boundaries
>>>>> (close
>>>>> to the 300GB) that needs to be relocated by defrag, closer to the
>>>>> beginning
>>>>> of the partition.
>>>>> Once the partition is defragged (packed more densely) there should be
>>>>> more
>>>>> room for defragging.
>>>>> Carlos
>>>>> P.S.: I don't recommend installing XP after 7 because XP destroys its
>>>>> boot
>>>>> loader.
>>>>> It is risky, it can be fixed, but definitely not a practice for the
>>>>> normal
>>>>> user.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alsenor" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Charlie, I bought a new HP with W7 installed. Unfortunately they
>>>>>> don't give
>>>>>> you an installation CD with it any longer, nor does a home made
>>>>>> "rescue CD"
>>>>>> include the "factory reset" option we had in Vista.
>>>>>> So I am a bit hesitant to abandon my original installation!
>>>>>> All I dared do so far was create a few partitions via "godmode", but
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> that doesn't look exactly he way I want it.
>>>>>> I want to make the partitions just large enough to hold the 2
>>>>>> operating
>>>>>> systems, and use the rest of the space for "apps" and "docs"
>>>>>> partitions.
>>>>>> However, although the C partition (where W7 resides) is more than 88%
>>>>>> free
>>>>>> space, it doesn't let me shrink it to less than 300 GB. Why?
>>>>>> I even ran a chkdsk on it, which made no difference.
>>>>>> I appreciate your help!
>>>>>> Al.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>>>>> message
>>>>>> news:uwNQpF0lKHA.5656(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> > Install XP first. Then Install Win7 as a New Install, (custom) not
>>>>>> > an
>>>>>> > upgrade. It will create the necessary settings to enable dual boot.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --
>>>>>> > Charlie.
>>>>>> > http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > "Alsenor" <alsenor(a)ggholiday.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> > news:%23WvLNRzlKHA.2132(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> >> Can anyone give me a solid guide to creating a multi-boot drive?
>>>>>> >> I have partitioned my HD and would like to choose between W 7 and
>>>>>> >> XP.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
From: Alsenor on 17 Jan 2010 22:50
That is the one I tried to use, but failed.
It works on my wife's W7 Ultimate, but not on my Home Premium.

"Kue2" <Kue2(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2969E07C-958B-4C3E-AB32-B9203521BF44(a)microsoft.com...
> Use the bootable media disk.
>
> "Alsenor" <alsenor(a)ggholiday.com> wrote in message
> news:uNWU748lKHA.2188(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Assuming you are talking about "Acronis Disk Director 2010" - it just
>> told me that it is incompatible with W7 home premium.
>>
>> "Tom" <noway(a)nothere.com> wrote in message
>> news:ul00Oj8lKHA.1648(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> I would recommend BootIt Next Generation over Acronis, it is much
>>> cheaper, easier to use and it is almost fool-proof to use.
>>>
>>> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootit-next-generation.htm
>>>
>>> "Kue2" <Kue2(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ub2Aih7lKHA.2188(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> U maybe need a third party disk management program
>>>> such as Acronis.
>>>> www.Acronis.com
>>>> http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/
>>>> to do what u want to do, as far as partitioning the hard-drive.
>>>> To add XP after Windows 7 is installed is considered a high level
>>>> task at the least. I would not recommend unless you are very tech
>>>> savvy.
>>>> You will need to have a licensed copy of XP(install disk) & also a
>>>> licensed
>>>> copy of Windows 7 (install disk). If you are going to have a duel boot
>>>> have
>>>> XP-32 bit, keep in mine you will loose your restore points whenever you
>>>> duel boot.
>>>>
>>>> "Alsenor" <alsenor(a)ggholiday.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eepOJC7lKHA.5656(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Yes, I did defrag it as well, thinking of that reason.
>>>>> Then I ran the chkdsk.
>>>>> Still wants to be 300 GB!
>>>>>
>>>>> "Carlos" <Carlos(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:C61213E5-0226-44D3-A2D1-FE3B1007D86E(a)microsoft.com...
>>>>>> Alsenor,
>>>>>> Defragment your partition C: before trying to shrink it.
>>>>>> There may be at least a piece of a file near the "outer" boundaries
>>>>>> (close
>>>>>> to the 300GB) that needs to be relocated by defrag, closer to the
>>>>>> beginning
>>>>>> of the partition.
>>>>>> Once the partition is defragged (packed more densely) there should be
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> room for defragging.
>>>>>> Carlos
>>>>>> P.S.: I don't recommend installing XP after 7 because XP destroys its
>>>>>> boot
>>>>>> loader.
>>>>>> It is risky, it can be fixed, but definitely not a practice for the
>>>>>> normal
>>>>>> user.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alsenor" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charlie, I bought a new HP with W7 installed. Unfortunately they
>>>>>>> don't give
>>>>>>> you an installation CD with it any longer, nor does a home made
>>>>>>> "rescue CD"
>>>>>>> include the "factory reset" option we had in Vista.
>>>>>>> So I am a bit hesitant to abandon my original installation!
>>>>>>> All I dared do so far was create a few partitions via "godmode", but
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> that doesn't look exactly he way I want it.
>>>>>>> I want to make the partitions just large enough to hold the 2
>>>>>>> operating
>>>>>>> systems, and use the rest of the space for "apps" and "docs"
>>>>>>> partitions.
>>>>>>> However, although the C partition (where W7 resides) is more than
>>>>>>> 88% free
>>>>>>> space, it doesn't let me shrink it to less than 300 GB. Why?
>>>>>>> I even ran a chkdsk on it, which made no difference.
>>>>>>> I appreciate your help!
>>>>>>> Al.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>> news:uwNQpF0lKHA.5656(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> > Install XP first. Then Install Win7 as a New Install, (custom) not
>>>>>>> > an
>>>>>>> > upgrade. It will create the necessary settings to enable dual
>>>>>>> > boot.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>> > Charlie.
>>>>>>> > http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > "Alsenor" <alsenor(a)ggholiday.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> > news:%23WvLNRzlKHA.2132(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> >> Can anyone give me a solid guide to creating a multi-boot drive?
>>>>>>> >> I have partitioned my HD and would like to choose between W 7 and
>>>>>>> >> XP.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
From: Alsenor on 17 Jan 2010 22:52
Well, it doesn't work on my machine (not compatible, it says!).

"Carlos" <Carlos(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2079A120-EF39-4A0E-9695-18D2AC532AF7(a)microsoft.com...
> Alsenor,
> So you do have Acronis.
> Can it accomplish the shrinking thingie?
> Carlos
>
> "Alsenor" wrote:
>
>> Godmode actually opens diskmgmt.msc.
>> I thought that it would be the most reliable method, and it seems to work
>> much faster than my Acronis app.
>>
>> "Carlos" <Carlos(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:E192BC65-921F-49B4-A8A1-0A4DEADFA526(a)microsoft.com...
>> > Alsenor,
>> > You mentioned "godmode" for managing new partitions.
>> > Didn't you try the normal way, i.e., Disk Management?
>> > Run it with Windows Key + R, diskmgmt.msc, then press ENTER.
>> > Check if you can shrink your partition from there.
>> > Carlos
>> >
>> > "Alsenor" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes, I did defrag it as well, thinking of that reason.
>> >> Then I ran the chkdsk.
>> >> Still wants to be 300 GB!
>> >>
>> >> "Carlos" <Carlos(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:C61213E5-0226-44D3-A2D1-FE3B1007D86E(a)microsoft.com...
>> >> > Alsenor,
>> >> > Defragment your partition C: before trying to shrink it.
>> >> > There may be at least a piece of a file near the "outer" boundaries
>> >> > (close
>> >> > to the 300GB) that needs to be relocated by defrag, closer to the
>> >> > beginning
>> >> > of the partition.
>> >> > Once the partition is defragged (packed more densely) there should
>> >> > be
>> >> > more
>> >> > room for defragging.
>> >> > Carlos
>> >> > P.S.: I don't recommend installing XP after 7 because XP destroys
>> >> > its
>> >> > boot
>> >> > loader.
>> >> > It is risky, it can be fixed, but definitely not a practice for the
>> >> > normal
>> >> > user.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Alsenor" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Charlie, I bought a new HP with W7 installed. Unfortunately they
>> >> >> don't
>> >> >> give
>> >> >> you an installation CD with it any longer, nor does a home made
>> >> >> "rescue
>> >> >> CD"
>> >> >> include the "factory reset" option we had in Vista.
>> >> >> So I am a bit hesitant to abandon my original installation!
>> >> >> All I dared do so far was create a few partitions via "godmode",
>> >> >> but
>> >> >> even
>> >> >> that doesn't look exactly he way I want it.
>> >> >> I want to make the partitions just large enough to hold the 2
>> >> >> operating
>> >> >> systems, and use the rest of the space for "apps" and "docs"
>> >> >> partitions.
>> >> >> However, although the C partition (where W7 resides) is more than
>> >> >> 88%
>> >> >> free
>> >> >> space, it doesn't let me shrink it to less than 300 GB. Why?
>> >> >> I even ran a chkdsk on it, which made no difference.
>> >> >> I appreciate your help!
>> >> >> Al.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>> >> >> message
>> >> >> news:uwNQpF0lKHA.5656(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> > Install XP first. Then Install Win7 as a New Install, (custom)
>> >> >> > not
>> >> >> > an
>> >> >> > upgrade. It will create the necessary settings to enable dual
>> >> >> > boot.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Charlie.
>> >> >> > http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Alsenor" <alsenor(a)ggholiday.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:%23WvLNRzlKHA.2132(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> Can anyone give me a solid guide to creating a multi-boot drive?
>> >> >> >> I have partitioned my HD and would like to choose between W 7
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> XP.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> .
>> >> >>
>> >> .
>> >>
>> .
>>
From: R. C. White on 18 Jan 2010 17:49
Hi, Alsenor.

Well, the Golden Rule of dual-booting is, as Charlie said, to always install
the newest OS last. But since you don't want to erase your hard drive and
start over, you'll need to first "break" Win7's dual-boot start-up by
installing WinXP, and then run Win7's Repair utility to fix the damage.

Since Win7 was pre-installed on your new, virgin computer, you probably have
a small 100 MB partition - with NO drive letter - at the very beginning of
your hard disk drive. (This arrangement is a new feature of Win7.) Then
you have - or you originally had - a single partition called Drive C: with
Win7 installed and a lot of free space. The Graphical View of Disk
Management should show both these partitions on your Disk 0. You haven't
given us any numbers so we don't know how big your HDD is or how much free
space you have. Is this correct, so far?

On the Disk Management screen, note especially the Status column in the top
area. I expect that the System label is on that unlettered partition and
that the Boot label is on Drive C:. Still correct?

Then right-click on Drive C: and choose Shrink volume. Win7 probably takes
up something less than 20 GB as originally installed, but it GROWS!! So, if
you have plenty of hard drive space, leave it with at least 30 GB or even 40
GB. (My Win7 Ultimate x64 Drive C: is 60 GB, with 25 GB still free after
about 6 months of use.) Then, still using Disk Management, right-click in
the Free space and Create a volume for WinXP. Since WinXP is much smaller
and does not grow as fast, 20 GB should be more than enough. You will want
to create one or more additional volumes in the free space, but there's no
hurry for this; you can do it after both Win7 and WinXP are installed and
working, or do it now.

Then boot from the WinXP CD-ROM and install WinXP into that second
partition. But remember, no matter where Windows (whether Win2K/XP/Vista or
Win7) Setup installs Windows, Setup will ALWAYS write the < 1 MB of startup
files into the System Partition. Typically that has always been Drive C:,
but with Win7, that new unlettered partition is the System Partition and
THAT's where you should expect to see WinXP's startup files (NTLDR,
NTDETECT.COM and Boot.ini), alongside Win7's start-up files (bootmgr and the
contents of the \Boot folder); all these files are Hidden and System, by
default. If they are NOT in that hidden partition, please post back and
tell us what you see.

Now, you should be able to boot into WinXP, but not into Win7. Insert the
Win7 DVD and boot from it. Choose to Repair the boot files. Win7 Setup
should re-create the multi-boot menu, giving you the option to boot Win7 or
the "Previous version of Windows". When you choose "previous", Win7's
bootmgr will step out of the way and turn over control to NTLDR, etc., so
they can boot WinXP.

I haven't actually done this, Alsenor, so tread carefully. I haven't run
WinXP in over 3 years now, although I did keep a copy in a volume on one of
my HDDs until last week - when that HDD died and will have to be replaced
under warranty. I'm just glad that Win7 is on a different drive that is
still good.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc(a)grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

"Alsenor" <alsenor(a)ggholiday.com> wrote in message
news:etFiDE6lKHA.1652(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Charlie, I bought a new HP with W7 installed. Unfortunately they don't
> give you an installation CD with it any longer, nor does a home made
> "rescue CD" include the "factory reset" option we had in Vista.
> So I am a bit hesitant to abandon my original installation!
> All I dared do so far was create a few partitions via "godmode", but even
> that doesn't look exactly he way I want it.
> I want to make the partitions just large enough to hold the 2 operating
> systems, and use the rest of the space for "apps" and "docs" partitions.
> However, although the C partition (where W7 resides) is more than 88% free
> space, it doesn't let me shrink it to less than 300 GB. Why?
> I even ran a chkdsk on it, which made no difference.
> I appreciate your help!
> Al.
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
> news:uwNQpF0lKHA.5656(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Install XP first. Then Install Win7 as a New Install, (custom) not an
>> upgrade. It will create the necessary settings to enable dual boot.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel
>>
>>
>> "Alsenor" <alsenor(a)ggholiday.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23WvLNRzlKHA.2132(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Can anyone give me a solid guide to creating a multi-boot drive?
>>> I have partitioned my HD and would like to choose between W 7 and XP.

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