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From: Jim on 22 Jan 2010 08:28 On 2010-01-22, Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > I can see no `fn' key on either of my two flat keyboards - one small, > one large. Are these Apple keyboards? Because it _should_ be extreme bottom-left on the min-keyboard, and the key to the right of the backspace key on the full-sized one (where on a PC keyboard it would be the Insert key). Jim -- http://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk http://twitter.com/GreyAreaUK "Get over here. Now. Might be advisable to wear brown trousers and a shirt the colour of blood." Malcolm Tucker, "The Thick of It"
From: Woody on 22 Jan 2010 08:31 On 22/01/2010 13:28, Jim wrote: > On 2010-01-22, Rowland McDonnell<real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: >> >> I can see no `fn' key on either of my two flat keyboards - one small, >> one large. > > Are these Apple keyboards? Because it _should_ be extreme bottom-left on the > min-keyboard, and the key to the right of the backspace key on the > full-sized one (where on a PC keyboard it would be the Insert key). If he has bought an iMac (the OP) there should be a fn key on it, my iMac is about a year old and has one. Never knew that fn delete did forward delete though! Mind you, I rarely use forward delete on anything. -- Woody
From: Rowland McDonnell on 22 Jan 2010 08:35 David Empson <dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > Trevor Wright <newstrap(a)thewrights.uk.com> wrote: [snip] > On the US keyboard (which is also standard for me in New Zealand) it is > labelled "delete". On the UK keyboard, it is labelled with a symbol that > looks like a leftward pointing truncated arrow with an x inside. Not on any of the last three generations of Mac keyboard - which I happen to have within convenient sight. Not the current flat ones (small or large - i've one of each), not the last full-travel design, and not the design before that. I've one of the type prior to the third gen back - that `fourth gen back from now' jobbie is in the loft, and memory tells me it's just the same as third gen back but coloured rather than white. > Its > function is to delete the character to the left of the insertion point. Nope, delete is just a left arrow. The `X inside' symbol is X inside a rightward pointing `hollow arrow' thingy and means *FORWARD* delete. Except that that's what it looks like on the keyboard prior to the current line and you won't find one on the non-numberpad flat Mac keyboard. The /current/ Mac keyboards have the word `delete' written on the forward delete key, with a very small white on black non-hollow version of the `X inside the hollow pointer' symbol. But only the big ones, not the small ones. Umm. Dug in the cupboard - I've got a pre-ADB Mac keyboard. Model M0110A. It's got one key marked backspace (back delete) and one marked `clear' which I think still exists as the `box with a cross through it' key on keyboards that have a number pad. No forward delete, no special key symbols except for one Apple key (and four arrow keys, so this one ain't a thin Mac's keyboard). > If you want to delete the character to the right of the insertion point, > the key combination fn-delete will achieve that in most applications. > Some applications also recognise Ctrl-D as a forward delete. There's no fn key on either the small or large current Mac keyboards. I've just looked at one example of each. > You can also choose to use a different keyboard, which has the full > range of keys including a separate "del" or "forward delete" key. Apple > has a full-sized USB keyboard, and most third party USB keyboards also > work on a Mac. Really? I've never found *one* non-Apple keyboard that gave me `eject'. How does one get that sort of thing to work with a non-Apple keyboard? [snip] Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Jim on 22 Jan 2010 08:41 On 2010-01-22, Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > >> You can also choose to use a different keyboard, which has the full >> range of keys including a separate "del" or "forward delete" key. Apple >> has a full-sized USB keyboard, and most third party USB keyboards also >> work on a Mac. > > Really? I've never found *one* non-Apple keyboard that gave me `eject'. > > How does one get that sort of thing to work with a non-Apple keyboard? It maps to one of the function keys. Jim -- http://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk http://twitter.com/GreyAreaUK "Get over here. Now. Might be advisable to wear brown trousers and a shirt the colour of blood." Malcolm Tucker, "The Thick of It"
From: Woody on 22 Jan 2010 08:41
On 22/01/2010 13:35, Rowland McDonnell wrote: > There's no fn key on either the small or large current Mac keyboards. I have the large aluminum one with the numeric keyboard, that I guess was the last version (came by default with the iMac). that has a fn key. The large keyboard on apples site has it in the same place: <http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB110LL/A> >> You can also choose to use a different keyboard, which has the full >> range of keys including a separate "del" or "forward delete" key. Apple >> has a full-sized USB keyboard, and most third party USB keyboards also >> work on a Mac. > > Really? I've never found *one* non-Apple keyboard that gave me `eject'. > > How does one get that sort of thing to work with a non-Apple keyboard? f12 works on my hackintosh machine. -- Woody |