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From: Rowland McDonnell on 22 Jan 2010 11:57 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > On 22/01/2010 15:40, Rowland McDonnell wrote: > > Woody<usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > >> I use them a lot on PCs, > > > > How? > > > >> but I can't think of one program I use on the > >> mac that uses them > > > > I've only ever used F-keys on a BBC Micro and with Oolite, the Mac OS X > > attempt at Elite. > > I really wanted to like that, but nostalgia seemed to be beating reality. It's not /quite/ the same as Elite, which I have. Elite's a different game - faster, more enjoyable more readily. None of the non Beeb Elite-type games are /quite/ right. I've messed about with Oolite and figured out how to get it to play like Elite - it's very close, very close, you've just got to do it like /that/ to have it work out about the same in how it feels to play. But... The thing is, Elite was astounding then because no other computer game had so much depth and richness - the 3d flying/combat, the trading, the multiple galaxy exploration, the `colour' by way of neat little details, many of which were pure decoration. But it's a bit poor and shallow when compared to - well, name your modern game, eh? Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Tim Streater on 22 Jan 2010 12:36 On 22/01/2010 13:28, Jim wrote: > On 2010-01-22, Rowland McDonnell<real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: >> >> I can see no `fn' key on either of my two flat keyboards - one small, >> one large. > > Are these Apple keyboards? Because it _should_ be extreme bottom-left on the > min-keyboard, and the key to the right of the backspace key on the > full-sized one (where on a PC keyboard it would be the Insert key). That's CTRL on my 1-year old wired UK keyboard (= it's fullsize). This also means that I have a backspace-key (delete char to left of insertion point) above the Return key, and a forward-delete key just to the right of the Return key. And the fn key is just above the forward-delete key, but I've no idea what it's for. -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" Bill of Rights 1689
From: Tim Streater on 22 Jan 2010 12:37 On 22/01/2010 13:31, Woody wrote: > On 22/01/2010 13:28, Jim wrote: >> On 2010-01-22, Rowland >> McDonnell<real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> I can see no `fn' key on either of my two flat keyboards - one small, >>> one large. >> >> Are these Apple keyboards? Because it _should_ be extreme bottom-left >> on the >> min-keyboard, and the key to the right of the backspace key on the >> full-sized one (where on a PC keyboard it would be the Insert key). > > If he has bought an iMac (the OP) there should be a fn key on it, my > iMac is about a year old and has one. > Never knew that fn delete did forward delete though! Mind you, I rarely > use forward delete on anything. Hummmm! I find it v. useful and use it all the time in Word and TextWrangler. -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" Bill of Rights 1689
From: Tim Streater on 22 Jan 2010 12:38 On 22/01/2010 13:35, Rowland McDonnell wrote: > David Empson<dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > >> Trevor Wright<newstrap(a)thewrights.uk.com> wrote: > [snip] > >> On the US keyboard (which is also standard for me in New Zealand) it is >> labelled "delete". On the UK keyboard, it is labelled with a symbol that >> looks like a leftward pointing truncated arrow with an x inside. > > Not on any of the last three generations of Mac keyboard - which I > happen to have within convenient sight. > > Not the current flat ones (small or large - i've one of each), not the > last full-travel design, and not the design before that. > > I've one of the type prior to the third gen back - that `fourth gen back > from now' jobbie is in the loft, and memory tells me it's just the same > as third gen back but coloured rather than white. > >> Its >> function is to delete the character to the left of the insertion point. > > Nope, delete is just a left arrow. The `X inside' symbol is X inside a > rightward pointing `hollow arrow' thingy and means *FORWARD* delete. > Except that that's what it looks like on the keyboard prior to the > current line and you won't find one on the non-numberpad flat Mac > keyboard. > > The /current/ Mac keyboards have the word `delete' written on the > forward delete key, with a very small white on black non-hollow version > of the `X inside the hollow pointer' symbol. But only the big ones, not > the small ones. Yes. Exactly what I've got. -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" Bill of Rights 1689
From: Tim Streater on 22 Jan 2010 12:40
On 22/01/2010 13:48, D.M. Procida wrote: > Rowland McDonnell<real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > >> Good thinking - for all that I find Mac help is mostly annoying for me >> these days, I do recall that when I changed over to Macs from Macs, I >> found the basic stuff for new years in Mac Help was very useful. > > I was doing some stuff in System 7.0 last night in HyperCard - and I'd > forgotten how nifty Balloon Help was. Yes. I learnt all about how to use Eudora V.early *only* from the baloon help. -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" Bill of Rights 1689 |