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From: David Empson on 22 Jan 2010 08:52 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > On 22/01/2010 13:35, Rowland McDonnell wrote: > > There's no fn key on either the small or large current Mac keyboards. > > I have the large aluminum one with the numeric keyboard, that I guess > was the last version (came by default with the iMac). that has a fn key. > The large keyboard on apples site has it in the same place: > > <http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB110LL/A> And the small keyboards have it in the bottom left corner, same as the laptop keyboard. As clearly shown in the pictures on Apple's web site: <http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC184LL/A> <http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB869LL/A> (The wireless keyboard is the first one, and it can be enlarged further than the pictures of the wired keyboard.) The UK wireless one is shown here: <http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MC184B/A> -- David Empson dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz
From: Rowland McDonnell on 22 Jan 2010 08:55 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > On 22/01/2010 13:35, Rowland McDonnell wrote: > > There's no fn key on either the small or large current Mac keyboards. > > I have the large aluminum one with the numeric keyboard, that I guess > was the last version (came by default with the iMac). that has a fn key. > The large keyboard on apples site has it in the same place: > > <http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB110LL/A> Read my other posts - I cocked up badly on this one. God knows how. Too many symbols making my head spin, I suspect. > >> You can also choose to use a different keyboard, which has the full > >> range of keys including a separate "del" or "forward delete" key. Apple > >> has a full-sized USB keyboard, and most third party USB keyboards also > >> work on a Mac. > > > > Really? I've never found *one* non-Apple keyboard that gave me `eject'. > > > > How does one get that sort of thing to work with a non-Apple keyboard? > > f12 works on my hackintosh machine. F12 increases the volume here. And I'm not talking about a hackintosh machine where you've added all sorts of hackery to make the thing work at all - I expect they've got built-in hacks to deal with non-Apple keyboards. Doesn't mean the same will work on an actual official Apple-made Mac. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Rowland McDonnell on 22 Jan 2010 09:10 Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > >> You can also choose to use a different keyboard, which has the full > >> range of keys including a separate "del" or "forward delete" key. Apple > >> has a full-sized USB keyboard, and most third party USB keyboards also > >> work on a Mac. > > > > Really? I've never found *one* non-Apple keyboard that gave me `eject'. > > > > How does one get that sort of thing to work with a non-Apple keyboard? > > It maps to one of the function keys. <puzzled> Well, I've got fn1-fn19. fn1-fn4, fn7-fn12 all have specific functions. Pressing - one at a time, for a count of 5 each - fn5, fn6, fn13-fn19, has just produced no eject from the optical drive (which contains a disc and no disc-using apps being active). Pressing the eject key for a count of about 1 or 2 got the `eject' symbol and a disc ejection. The eject key is sat between F12 and F13. <shrug> So which `fn' key does `eject' map to? And how does that enable a non-Apple keyboard to work on a Mac? I ask this because I've tried using a non-Apple USB keyboard on a Mac - one designed for Macs - and the eject function was not available, despite an eject key being marked on the keyboard. Having just bought the damned thing from a shop which assured me it was 100 fully Mac compatible, I was a bit narked and got my money back. .... after an argument, during which the shop assistant argued that they couldn't accept it back as faulty until it had been checked out by the manufacturer. I quickly disabused him of that idea... Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Jim on 22 Jan 2010 09:20 On 2010-01-22, Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > So which `fn' key does `eject' map to? And how does that enable a > non-Apple keyboard to work on a Mac? I think the answer is (rather unhelpfully): "it depends". I _think_ it gets mapped to the last function key, so depending on the keyboard it could well be F12. > I ask this because I've tried using a non-Apple USB keyboard on a Mac - > one designed for Macs - and the eject function was not available, > despite an eject key being marked on the keyboard. Ah, that almost never works in my experience. It always seems to be mapped to a function key, unless the keyboard manufacturer provides drivers. Discaimer: I haven't used a lot of non-Apple keyboards on Macs so my experience here is non-zero but limited. Jim -- http://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk http://twitter.com/GreyAreaUK "Get over here. Now. Might be advisable to wear brown trousers and a shirt the colour of blood." Malcolm Tucker, "The Thick of It"
From: Woody on 22 Jan 2010 09:23
On 22/01/2010 13:55, Rowland McDonnell wrote: > Woody<usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 22/01/2010 13:35, Rowland McDonnell wrote: >>> There's no fn key on either the small or large current Mac keyboards. >> >> I have the large aluminum one with the numeric keyboard, that I guess >> was the last version (came by default with the iMac). that has a fn key. >> The large keyboard on apples site has it in the same place: >> >> <http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB110LL/A> > > Read my other posts - I cocked up badly on this one. God knows how. > Too many symbols making my head spin, I suspect. Could be. I looked on the applestore at the mini keyboard and didn't see the fn key on that, until jim said about it, then I did >>>> You can also choose to use a different keyboard, which has the full >>>> range of keys including a separate "del" or "forward delete" key. Apple >>>> has a full-sized USB keyboard, and most third party USB keyboards also >>>> work on a Mac. >>> >>> Really? I've never found *one* non-Apple keyboard that gave me `eject'. >>> >>> How does one get that sort of thing to work with a non-Apple keyboard? >> >> f12 works on my hackintosh machine. > > F12 increases the volume here. It does on my mac keyboard. > And I'm not talking about a hackintosh > machine where you've added all sorts of hackery to make the thing work > at all - I expect they've got built-in hacks to deal with non-Apple > keyboards. Doesn't mean the same will work on an actual official > Apple-made Mac. No, no keyboard hacks on it at all (so few in fact that it mixes up @ and "). If I plug my old imac (original) keyboard into it, f12 makes it eject, if I plug the metal one in, the eject key works and f12 changes the volume. -- Woody |