From: krw on
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:40:43 +0100, "Nial Stewart"
<nial*REMOVE_THIS*@nialstewartdevelopments.co.uk> wrote:

>>>I dunno about 'crappy I/O',
>> I do. That's the point.
>
>
>Details?

5V/3.3V only. I needed more like 1.2V, though could get away with 1.5V
(Virtex I/Os worked at 1.2V anyway). Altera's were slow, too (if you couldn't
infer that by the 5V capability).

>I haven't had, or heard of any problems with Altera devices (at least wrt
>adhering to the the data sheets).

They were broken as designed.
From: krw on
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:18:20 -0500, "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:40:43 +0100, "Nial Stewart"
><nial*REMOVE_THIS*@nialstewartdevelopments.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>I dunno about 'crappy I/O',
>>> I do. That's the point.
>>
>>
>>Details?
>
>5V/3.3V only. I needed more like 1.2V, though could get away with 1.5V
>(Virtex I/Os worked at 1.2V anyway). Altera's were slow, too (if you couldn't
^^^^^^ Virtex/E (sorry)

>infer that by the 5V capability).
>
>>I haven't had, or heard of any problems with Altera devices (at least wrt
>>adhering to the the data sheets).
>
>They were broken as designed.
From: Nial Stewart on
> 5V/3.3V only.

I presume this was a while ago?

> I needed more like 1.2V, though could get away with 1.5V
> (Virtex I/Os worked at 1.2V anyway). Altera's were slow, too (if you couldn't
> infer that by the 5V capability).


"Crappy" is an odd way to describe "didn't have the input range I was looking for".

At the time perhaps there were more people looking for 5V input capability?


Nial





From: krw on
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:42:31 +0100, "Nial Stewart"
<nial*REMOVE_THIS*@nialstewartdevelopments.co.uk> wrote:

>> 5V/3.3V only.
>
>I presume this was a while ago?
>
>> I needed more like 1.2V, though could get away with 1.5V
>> (Virtex I/Os worked at 1.2V anyway). Altera's were slow, too (if you couldn't
>> infer that by the 5V capability).
>
>
>"Crappy" is an odd way to describe "didn't have the input range I was looking for".

Crappy, as in three years out of date.

>At the time perhaps there were more people looking for 5V input capability?

Are you related to DimBulb? Altera was way behind the curve in I/O
capability. Xilinx was too, but bought the IP (company) for the Virtex line.
Altera sat there looking stupid.
From: Nial Stewart on
> Crappy, as in three years out of date.

Three years out of data for leading edge performance perhaps, but
what % of users wanted that over 5V compatability (in 1998)?


You said "Altera crappy I/Os weren't fixable", but they were as spec'd in
the data sheet.

I.e. not 'broken'.



Nial.




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