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From: Al Dykes on 16 Oct 2009 11:43 In article <hb9nt1$jb$5(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu>, Henry <9-11truth(a)experts.org> wrote: >AllYou! wrote: >> Henry <9-11truth(a)experts.org> mused: >>> AllYou! wrote: >>>> Henry <9-11truth(a)experts.org> mused: > >>>>> Actually, I'm relying on photo and eyewitness evidence, >>> >>>>> Evidence of molten metal is well documented. >>>> But not molten steel. >>> Because thermite reactions produce molten metal. >> >> If thermite interacts with steel, it can produce molten steel. > > Wrong nut job. Learn how to read and think. > >> There is no evidence that whatever people think they saw which might >> look like molten metal was, in fact, molten steel. > > They called it molten steel because it was dripping off >steel beams, but technically, it was molten metal due to >the chemical reaction of the thermite. > > >> It's the same kind of circular logic in which you continually >> engage, and which is not that different than what a dog uses to >> cause it to chase its own tail. >> >>>>> Here are two of our 9-11 rescue heroes who observed molten >>>>> metal "flowing like lava - like a "foundry" > >>>> Lava flows in foundries? > >>> No one has said that but you, nut job. Learn how to read and >>> think, nut job. > >> You did. You just said that it looked like flowing lava like a >> foundry. > > Wrong nut job, I quoted FDNY members who compared it to >lava and a foundry. No one but you said that lava flows >in a foundry, nut job. You are quite clearly insane. They didn't say "I saw it, myself." It was second-hand. -- Al Dykes News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising. - Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail
From: Al Dykes on 16 Oct 2009 11:45 In article <bde12b77-27dc-4f21-89ab-58231e86396d(a)z3g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, <knews4u2chew(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Oct 15, 8:14=A0am, Iarnrod The Spook <iarn...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Oct 15, 8:40=A0am, Henry <9-11tr...(a)experts.org> wrote: >> >> > AllYou! Another Spook wrote: >> > > Innews:hb798m$ljm$2(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu, >> > > Henry <9-11tr...(a)experts.org> mused: >> > >> AllYou! Another Spook wrote: >> > >>> Henry <9-11tr...(a)experts.org> mused: >> > >>>> AllYou! Another Spook wrote: >> > >>>>> Henry <9-11tr...(a)experts.org> mused: >> > >>>>>> How else do you explain >> > >>>>>> the molten metal that flowed like lava, >> > >>>>> Lead, aluminum, copper, and any other substances that could >> > >>>>> look 'like' lava as much as metal does. > >By what mechanism was any meatal made red/orange hot enough to be >described as "like lava" in an "office fire" and kept in that state >without oxygen under ground for weeks? > > >> > >>>> =A0So, you "think" the structural steel in the towers and WTC7 >> > >>>> was made of lead, aluminum, and copper, eh? Good "thinking", >> > >>>> nut job... >> > >>> You're using your conclusion that the molten metal was steel in >> > >>> order to prove that the steel was melted. =A0The fact is that >> > >>> there's no evidence whatsoever that the molten stuff that >> > >>> someone said that they think they saw was steel at all. >> >The ends of many of the beams exibited a "high temperature of >sulfidation." >Many pieces of steel looked like "Swiss Cheese." Which bears no relation to what thermite would do to a chunk of steel. -- Al Dykes News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising. - Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail
From: Henry on 16 Oct 2009 11:53 Al Dykes wrote: > Henry <9-11truth(a)experts.org> wrote: >> There is solid irrefutable proof that thermite was used >> to destroy the towers and WTC7. How else do you explain >> the molten metal that flowed like lava, the iron rich >> microshperes, and the unreacted nanothermite? > Nobody claims to have found "unreacted nanothermite" Your conspiracy kook lies sure are blatant stupid, and easily exposed. Press Release: http://stj911.org/press_releases/ActiveThermiticMaterial.html Summary of research: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Study: Scientists Discover Active Thermitic Material in WTC Dust Berkeley, CA, April 3, 2009 -- A new study by independent scientists and researchers suggests the cause behind the catastrophic destruction of World Trade Center Towers on September 11th can be seen in the dust itself: active thermitic material, a highly engineered explosive. The study, published today in The Open Chemical Physics Journal, describes a finding of "red/gray bi-layered chips" in samples of dust taken from vicinity of the World Trade Center following its destruction. Using tools such as a scanning electron microscope (SEM) and x-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS) to analyze the material, the study authors concluded that, "the red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic." The study's finding lends new support to the demolition theory put forth by critics of the official reports. At a time when the American public is finding it difficult to understand the full story behind the current economic crisis, findings of a demolition raise new questions about how the 'War on Terror' -- an enormous source of recent American spending -- was started. Officials with the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), charged with establishing the cause of the buildings' destruction, have stated that they "did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel," and that thermite, "or another incendiary compound," would be too difficult to have placed in the buildings without notice. NIST has stated that such difficulties make demolition unlikely. They concluded that aircraft impacts and the subsequent fires led to the building failures. Dr. Steven Jones, physicist and author on the paper, says that NIST has refused to test the dust for thermite, super-thermite, or any other accelerant or explosive. "We've repeatedly asked them to follow standard investigative procedure, to perform these tests and release the results. They haven't." Jones says such tests may be required by fire protection codes. Kevin Ryan, chemist and co-author on the paper, explained why he thinks NIST is wrong. "What we've discovered is not conventional thermite -- which is what NIST continues to refer to -- but a highly engineered thermitic material, or 'super thermite', probably designed for just this type of application." Pre-planned demolition, supporters say, is the 'best-fit' model for the many unusual and unexplained characteristics of the building failures, such as the speed and symmetry of the collapses, and the extreme pulverization of the materials leading to clouds of micron-sized dust particles, described in one insurance report as behaving similar to a "volcanic eruption". "One of the unusual features that piqued my interest," Jones said, "was the pools of molten metal seen in all three rubble piles, WTC 1, 2 & 7." NIST officials have published a response stating that the condition of the steel was "irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse." Jones, formerly a Professor of Physics with Brigham Young University and known for his work in muon-catalyzed fusion, published in Nature, Scientific American, and the Journal of Physical Chemistry, began researching the 9/11/01 attacks in 2005. Jones discovered the curious thermitic material in 2007, when he ran a magnet over a dust sample given to him by a Manhattan resident survivor of the attack, and found that some particles were attracted to the magnet. "That was very odd to me," he said. Those particles turned out to be iron-rich microspheres, partially described in a 2001 USGS study of the dust. But to fully analyze, describe and report on the thermitic material would take longer. Jones was joined in that effort by several others including Dr. Niels Harrit, a chemistry professor with the University of Copenhagen for over 30 years and author of numerous research papers in journals such as Nano Letters, the Journal of the American Chemistry Society, and the Journal of Physical Chemistry A. Harrit says that he is frequently asked why he researches the September 11th attack. and says has two answers. "First, I am opposed to crime, and second, when my 6 grandchildren ask me, 'Grandfather, which side were you on?' I will be able to answer them, 'I was on your side'." Co-author Dr. Jeffrey Farrer, a materials scientist and Director of the TEM (Transmition Electron Microscopy) laboratory at BYU, says he hopes the paper will "change the way the 9/11 truth movement is viewed by the mainstream public and media." And chemist and co-author Kevin Ryan, a former Underwriters Laboratories manager, challenged the NIST report in public statements in 2004, and was consequently fired. "This finding really goes beyond anything that has previously been shown," says Jones. "We had to use sophisticated tools to analyze the dust because this isn't just a typical explosive, RDX or CD4 or something -- this is a highly engineered material not readily available to just anyone." In a 2006 interview with Deseret News, Jones noted that commercial explosives must contain tag elements for traceability, but that no law requires tagging of advanced forms of thermitics. In 2008, several of these authors published three articles challenging the official reports in US scientific journals, The Open Civil Engineering Journal, The Environmentalist, and The Journal of Engineering Mechanics Dozens of other papers making similar challenges have been published in the sister publication of the Scholars group, The Journal of 9/11 Studies Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization of over 700 independent researchers analyzing the September 11, 2001 attacks with a strong emphasis on the scientific method. -- http://911research.wtc7.net http://www.journalof911studies.com/ http://www.911truth.org
From: Henry on 16 Oct 2009 11:55 Al Dykes wrote: > Henry wrote: > Jones had already lost his job wjen he invented thermite. Wow, this nut job actually "thinks" that thermite was invented just a few years ago. <chuckle> >> Do you actually believe that if supports on only one side of >> a tall building are destroyed, the building will drop straight >> down onto its own footprint? > Yes. Who do you "think" faked all the photos and videos showing tall buildings topping sideways, and why do you "think" they did it? http://www.metacafe.com/watch/176540/china_demolition/ I wonder if the other magic fire cartoon conspiracy kooks are embarrassed by the level of your insanity yet? <chuckle> -- http://911research.wtc7.net http://www.journalof911studies.com/ http://www.ae911truth.org
From: Al Dykes on 16 Oct 2009 12:01
In article <hba4tr$m51$1(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu>, Henry <9-11truth(a)experts.org> wrote: >Al Dykes wrote: >> Henry <9-11truth(a)experts.org> wrote: > >>> There is solid irrefutable proof that thermite was used >>> to destroy the towers and WTC7. How else do you explain >>> the molten metal that flowed like lava, the iron rich >>> microshperes, and the unreacted nanothermite? > >> Nobody claims to have found "unreacted nanothermite" > > Your conspiracy kook lies sure are blatant stupid, and easily >exposed. Nobody claims to have found "unreacted nanothermite" Give me one short literal quote and a link to the source. -- Al Dykes News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising. - Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail |